The Buddha Explains Universal Mind

[YmirGF]

Can you demonstrate the reality of the particular mind?

Um, can you demonstrate the reality of the universal mind? If you can, tell me what I had for dinner.

 

[YmirGF]

Can you demonstrate the reality of the universal mind?

Oh, you, you....

 

[Rick O'Shez]

Um, can you demonstrate the reality of the universal mind? If you can, tell me what I had for dinner.

That would depend on whether you had suppressed your individual mind and connected to the universal mind. You'll probably need to upgrade your router for that though.

 

[Rick O'Shez]

Without an 'I', it is universal by necessity.

No, it's just without self-view. Your premise is flawed.

 

[YmirGF]

Can you demonstrate the reality of the particular mind?

Any rational person might accept that these very posts are ample evidence of an individual mind at play.

Still, you don't get it: what remains is consciousness. Consciousness is self-evident. Without an 'I', it is universal by necessity. How can that be so difficult to see? Is it because it is so simple that you fail to see it?

It is universal by necessity in your dwarfed vision of reality perhaps.

 

[godnotgod]

"Lucy in the sky with diamonds" would be more appropriate in this thread.

First of all you ignored 90% of my argument, its like you barely read it.

Lol are you kidding me? Your guesses and pseudo scientific supernatural mumbo jumbo hasnt done anything for society; its completely worthless. Science on the other hand has created medicine which has saved billions of lives. Its lead to more efficient agriculture that has prevented billions from starving. Its discovered the wonders of the universe. Its enabled modern society to exist period. If you think science is leading enslavement then you need to join the tinfoil hat committee . Thats an absurd conspiracy . People enslave, not science.
I brought up the concrete results of science to show how much more reliable it is compared to your guesses. It makes predictions and creates things so ill go with it 100% of the time compared to the assertions spouted on this thread.

Unfortunate that the Big Ape is so convinced he is right that he is going to bulldoze ahead with his Big Toys, and then regret it later. Except that, he will be dragging many many others down with him. Big Ape must be stopped in his juggernaut he calls 'progress' and 'society'. He's just full of his own crap, and using Holy Science as his Authority carry on in his cock-sure agenda.

Death to Big Ape and his Big Toy Twuck.

 

[Rick O'Shez]

Unfortunate that the Big Ape is so convinced he is right that he is going to bulldoze ahead with his Big Toys, and then regret it later. Except that, he will be dragging many many others down with him. Big Ape must be stopped in his juggernaut he calls 'progress' and 'society'. He's just full of his own crap, and using Holy Science as his Authority carry on in his cock-sure agenda.
Death to Big Ape and his Big Toy Twuck.

Yeah, stop destroying Mother Earth, let's have a new-age rant about Gaia and hug some trees! Hurrah!

 

[godnotgod]

No, it's just without self-view. Your premise is flawed.

Are you dense? Without self view does not mean one is still seeing that with self view! It means there is NO self view WHATSOVEVER, and if there is no self view, (DUH!) there is, by definition, universal view. We know consciousness remains, so there cannot be no-view, as you once ignorantly stated without using your head; the consciousness that remains, that is without self view, can only be....tuh..duh...:

UNIVERSAL VIEW, AKA 'UNIVERSAL CONSCIOUSNESS', SINCE 'VIEW' MUST BE CONSCIOUS TO BE A VIEW.

 

[YmirGF]

No, it's just without self-view. Your premise is flawed.

Exactly so. Imho, the "I" is never far, but it can be trained to sit quietly in the background thereby allowing other aspects of the psyche to come to the forefront of consciousness.

 

[Rick O'Shez]

Are you dense?

Well, oi dunno, but oi promise to attend moi Sunday school lessons at CCC to learn it proper loike. Oi do find it hard to remember, loike there is "Universal View", "Universal Consciousness", "Cosmic Consciousness", "Hoigher Consciousness", they go through it all so quick oi can't keep up.

 

[godnotgod]

Yeah, stop destroying Mother Earth, let's have a new-age rant about Gaia and hug some trees! Hurrah!

On Earth Day at the San Francisco Zen Center, we would go outside and trim and gather branches from city trees for recycling. The monk who had just delivered the lecture was talking about how a mother nurtures and protects her child, as a metaphor for Mother Earth nurturing and protecting humankind. Our Zen people are loving and compassionate, not cynical like your stagnant backwater Hinayanists, who only seek Enlightenment for themselves. The true Buddhist teaching is to turn one's selfish desires outward to all humanity in loving kindness. For you to make callous fun of Gaia and Mother Earth just reinforces your ignorance and stupidity.

 

[godnotgod]

Well, oi dunno, but oi promise to attend moi Sunday school lessons at CCC to learn it proper loike.

That's what you do already, and is what is keeping you dense. It's called 'Legalism'

 

[godnotgod]

Exactly so. Imho, the "I" is never far, but it can be trained to sit quietly in the background thereby allowing other aspects of the psyche to come to the forefront of consciousness.

ha ha ha...that's idiotic, to say the least. Let's see now: you are going to train something that is a complete illusion to sit quiety in the background and blah blah blah.... Are you stark raving mad?

and who is this trainer who is in control? 'I'? ha ha ha ha ha ha....

 

[YmirGF]

Well, oi dunno, but oi promise to attend moi Sunday school lessons at CCC to learn it proper loike.

I hear ya babe. Me's too. Me's IQ is oinly nort uv 140 soo folks hav 2 tak reel slooooow round me's soo me's kin unnerstan.

 

[YmirGF]

ha ha ha...that's idiotic, to say the least. Let's see now: you are going to train something that is a complete illusion to sit quiety in the background and blah blah blah.... Are you stark raving mad?

and who is this trainer who is in control? 'I'? ha ha ha ha ha ha....

I do not see the ego identification as being an illusion. It is a necessary facet of "properly" integrated being existing in three dimensional reality. I know, I know... that's just crazy talk....

 

[godnotgod]

Um, can you demonstrate the reality of the universal mind? If you can, tell me what I had for dinner.

That is not what universal mind implies. I have, via logical argument, already demonstrated the reality of Universal Mind, which is dependent upon the illusion of particular mind, which you seem to claim is real. So if it is real, can you show that it is so, or that it even exists? And as you explain it, who is it that is doing the explaining? Do you or do you not see the dilemma in all of this? Probably not. C'mon now. Wake up.

 

[godnotgod]

I do not see the ego identification as being an illusion. It is a necessary facet of "properly" integrated being existing in three dimensional reality. I know, I know... that's just crazy talk....

It's only a 'necessity' insofar as social convention is concerned. You will not die upon ego death. You will live as if for the first time, because you will be free, and freedom is true life, not the imitation of life as lived by the ego. Ego life, or Identification, is a contrived existence designed to please others, operating under the guise of self-gratification. It is not who you really are; it is who your social indoctrination has made you to believe who you are supposed to be.

 

[YmirGF]

[QUOTE="godnotgod, post: 4334817, member: 19325"]
That is not what universal mind implies. I have, via logical argument, already demonstrated the reality of Universal Mind, which is dependent upon the illusion of particular mind, which you seem to claim is real.[/QUOTE]
You have demonstrated nothing that has been recognized as such by those outside our your circular reasoning.

 

[Rick O'Shez]

I have, via logical argument, already demonstrated the reality of Universal Mind...

You haven't done anything of the sort, it's just a muddle of unfounded assertions. You haven't even explained what this fictional "Universal Mind" is supposed to be, and whether it's the same as "Cosmic Consciousness".
So in your vocabulary, are "Universal Mind" and "Cosmic Consciousness" the same thing? And if not, how exactly do they differ? If you insist on using all these jargon buzz-words you really should provide a glossary.

I really think you should start a thread called "Why I believe in Cosmic Consciousness". Try presenting a coherent argument for your belief system, and provide a glossary at the beginning.

 

[Rick O'Shez]

So if it is real, can you show that it is so, or that it even exists? And as you explain it, who is it that is doing the explaining? Do you or do you not see the dilemma in all of this? Probably not. C'mon now. Wake up.

Using anatta as an argument for cosmic conciousness is deeply flawed. All you're really doing is replacing one view with another.