The Buddha Explains Universal Mind

[serp777]

Such concoctions are products of conditioned awareness. Higher Consciousness is unconditioned awareness. No, it cannot be proven via rational thought, but it can be experienced to the point that there is no doubt as to its authenticity. Sorry, but this is why we cannot have a meaningful discussion: your POV is always going to be from that of the discursive, analytical mind, but the spiritual experience is always beyond logic, reason, and analysis, which, by their very nature, employ dissection and reduction as their methods. The apprehension of Reality is to see it whole and undivided, where there no longer exists a distinction between observer and observed.

Well we cant have any meaningful discussion because you dont have any arguments to support your position other than just asserting that you know its authentic. There's nothing to argue with. I dont see how you're going to have a meaningful debate with anyone when all you do is tell people you know whats true and they either accept it or don't. It doesnt seem approriate for the debate section at least.

No, it cannot be proven via rational thought, but it can be experienced to the point that there is no doubt as to its authenticity.

SO say scientologists, alien abductees, etc. All i can say is that I have not experienced it, and even if I were to experience it there would be much doubt as to its authenticity because experience is unreliable. And what exactly was your experience? A feeling? A hallucination?

 

[serp777]

Methinks thou dost protest too much.....

Yes an entire paragraph. I know its a vast amount, but just use your superior, developed faculties.

Its just that this is a debate forum--I think you're in the wrong section if you just want to tell people you have a more developed mind and thus you're always correct. Its basically an argument from authority.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

Yes an entire paragraph. I know its a vast amount, but just use your superior, developed faculties.

Its just that this is a debate forum--I think you're in the wrong section if you just want to tell people you have a more developed mind and thus you're always correct. Its basically an argument from authority.

Seriously...you do not have the prerequisite understanding to know what is being said to you....you've admitted you think my words are meaningless....that's it...get over it....

 

[godnotgod]

You don't have special knowledge denied to us. You have no evidence. You have no predictions.

Predictions are based on the past, while new evidence is continually changing our view, but never quite arriving. In fact, modern man is further away from an understanding of the universe than ever, though he claims he is on the verge of a breakthrough at any moment.

Mystics don't have any knowledge that the non-mystic doesn't already also have; it's just that the non-mystic can't see it because of the chatter of monkey mind always creating diversions and obstructions, latching onto bits and pieces of data about the world, that it attempts to make fit into its conceptual framework. It fails because the outcome does'nt match up with nature, and the result is paradox. Nature is always bigger than any concept about it. It's still the old story of the blind men falsely describing an elephant in terms of its parts. Only the still, unblemished consciousness can perfectly reflect nature. This state is the cessation of all of the activities of the mind.

 

[godnotgod]

Humans make stuff up and hallucinate all the time for a variety of reasons including attention seeking, mental illness, diseases that lead to hallcuinations, conspiracy and lies, conforming to social groups, and other motives like trying to make money from a religion.
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So what does any of that have to do with Higher Consciousness? Don't you think Higher Consciousness already is quite aware of those peculiarities? That's why it's called 'Higher Consciousness', and no, it's not a function of the ego; it's transcendent of ego.

If I am in a position to see things as they actually are, and you are not, while still nibbling around the edges, don't you think that is a more advantageous position, while not necessarily being one of egotistic superiority, as something you seem to fear.

 

[Rick O'Shez]

Its just that this is a debate forum--I think you're in the wrong section if you just want to tell people you have a more developed mind and thus you're always correct. Its basically an argument from authority.

Exactly. But be careful, if you stay too long you will be "assimilated" by the clones of cosmic consciousness!

 

[godnotgod]

Well we cant have any meaningful discussion because you dont have any arguments to support your position other than just asserting that you know its authentic. There's nothing to argue with. I dont see how you're going to have a meaningful debate with anyone when all you do is tell people you know whats true and they either accept it or don't. It doesnt seem approriate for the debate section at least.

heh heh...you debate using your rules, and I'll debate using mine, OK?

SO say scientologists, alien abductees, etc. All i can say is that I have not experienced it, and even if I were to experience it there would be much doubt as to its authenticity because experience is unreliable. And what exactly was your experience? A feeling? A hallucination?

No, was yours?

Experience via perceptual reality is unreliable. We are not talking about perceptual reality here. We are talking about Ultimate Reality, which cannot be seen via the dual mind.

You are experiencing yourself in this moment as a conscious being. Do you question the authenticity of your own consciousness, prior to its perception of the world?

 

[godnotgod]

Exactly. But be careful, if you stay too long you will be "assimilated" by the clones of cosmic consciousness!

He looks rather 'Buddhish', don'cha think?...or perhaps like one of the prisoners from Plato's Cave.

 

[YmirGF]

Kudo's to @ben d and @godnotgod ... I now have a very clear understanding of how I never want to come across to the reader of anything I write.

 

[godnotgod]

Well we cant have any meaningful discussion because you dont have any arguments to support your position other than just asserting that you know its authentic. There's nothing to argue with. I dont see how you're going to have a meaningful debate with anyone when all you do is tell people you know whats true and they either accept it or don't.

No, it's never a matter of blind acceptance. It's a matter of seeing what's being pointed to as Reality. You keep focusing on the method of the pointing finger, and want to debate which pointing method is correct.

You're right. There is nothing to argue with, but not because it is not authentic, but because Higher Consciousness is without doctrine or concept for which you can take up a position either right or wrong. It is beyond duality. Here, there is nothing to grasp, nothing to get hold of. This is the world of letting go, rather than acquisition.

You have already made up your mind that the mind of logic, reason, and analysis is the only true way of gaining knowledge. It is fine if you want factual knowledge, but if you seek understanding, another approach must be taken. Can you put your baggage of the rational mind aside long enough for you to see this other pathway? Can you quiet monkey mind so that Big Mind can come into play?

 

[godnotgod]

Exactly. But be careful, if you stay too long you will be "assimilated" by the clones of cosmic consciousness!

Everyone is already completely immersed in the sea of pure consciousness. What more could any Buddhish ask for?

 

[godnotgod]

Kudo's to @ben d and @godnotgod ... I now have a very clear understanding of how I never want to come across to the reader of anything I write.

So how do you think you come across now?

 

[Ben Dhyan]

Exactly. But be careful, if you stay too long you will be "assimilated" by the clones of cosmic consciousness!

That's where your misunderstanding lies...we are each a unique entity, simultaneously with being ubique....most get to accept the unique aspect, but not the underlying ubiquitous nature...

 

[Ben Dhyan]

Kudo's to @ben d and @godnotgod ... I now have a very clear understanding of how I never want to come across to the reader of anything I write.

Good for you....aping is for apes...you are a unique being, as are we all....but there is nothing you can do about being one with us wrt underlying oneness of cosmic being...

 

[serp777]

No, it's never a matter of blind acceptance. It's a matter of seeing what's being pointed to as Reality. You keep focusing on the method of the pointing finger, and want to debate which pointing method is correct.

You're right. There is nothing to argue with, but not because it is not authentic, but because Higher Consciousness is without doctrine or concept for which you can take up a position either right or wrong. It is beyond duality. Here, there is nothing to grasp, nothing to get hold of. This is the world of letting go, rather than acquisition.

You have already made up your mind that the mind of logic, reason, and analysis is the only true way of gaining knowledge. It is fine if you want factual knowledge, but if you seek understanding, another approach must be taken. Can you put your baggage of the rational mind aside long enough for you to see this other pathway? Can you quiet monkey mind so that Big Mind can come into play?

If the universal mind exists then it simply becomes science, so why not work to show that it exists rationally through scientific principles and arguments? You're just assuming that it cant be scientifically analyzed or explained which is falose since that would require you to understand the limits of science , which you don't.

The reason why science is the best option is because of how reliable it is--it also creates concrete results and produces testable hypotheses. When you cant make prediction or have concrete experimental results, then your position is just as weak as any other un provable position. Science is the ONLY way to determine real theories out of the infinite number of unprovable assertions. So maybe you should explain how you know your approach is better than say the scientologists?

I mean scientologists and Christians and Muslims all say the same thing--put your baggage away to see this other path. I dont even know what quiet the monkey brain means or what the Big mind is. The big mind is what albert einstein did--he accessed centers of his brain that allowed him to visualize how elements of the universe acted together in multiple dimensions. The realization in the mind which can then be confirmed by observation is infinitely more profound and valuable than guesswork.

I wouldnt even know how to set aside "my baggage" since it allows me to not believe in things like alien abduction or Zeus or thor or apollo. I dont see how you dont believe in zeus for instance.

 

[serp777]

Exactly. But be careful, if you stay too long you will be "assimilated" by the clones of cosmic consciousness!

I can already feel the self righteous nanoprobes gnawing at my brain cells lol

 

[serp777]

Seriously...you do not have the prerequisite understanding to know what is being said to you....you've admitted you think my words are meaningless....that's it...get over it....

Only if you get over your unreal ego and massive superiority complex. Your mumbo jumbo, since you've failed to explain it whatsoever, is just terms you've adopted to make yourself sound deeper; its just a facade.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Much of this thread parralls of what is esentially the same thing I had experienced in Christianity. A presentation centering around a false sense of linguistic and philosophical elitism offering that special understanding for those "ready".

 

[psychoslice]

Much of this thread parralls of what is esentially the same thing I had experienced in Christianity. A presentation centering around a false sense of linguistic and philosophical elitism offering that special understanding for those "ready".

Most religions use the same tactics.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

Only if you get over your unreal ego and massive superiority complex. Your mumbo jumbo, since you've failed to explain it whatsoever, is just terms you've adopted to make yourself sound deeper; its just a facade.

The thread is about the universal mind....it has been explained that it is non-dual and thus beyond description using a dualistic approach....the onus is on the aspirant to seek the truth of it by developing a still mind...don't blame the messenger for your not getting it....lol