Watchtower Governing Body: Are They The Exclusive Channel For God??

[djhwoodwerks]

What do you have against armageddon? Gods war will come and we are all involved. Its no good simply pushing it under the rug like it doesnt exist. That is not what the holy spirit would motivate a christian to do.

And what do you have against paradise earth? Wasnt that Gods purpose in the very beginning?? Do you disagree that the earth is something precious and worth looking after??

I have nothing against those things. But that's not what Jesus said to preach. Not one apostle taught about either of those subjects, not one. The GB just uses them to scare people to lure them in. Show me one verse from Acts to Jude where any disciple opened his dialog with armaggedon or paradise earth. If paradise earth was what Jesus taught then to preach, don't you agree it would be at the forefront of their teaching?

 

[djhwoodwerks]

Do a verse search of the Epistles, "teach" "preach" "preached" "taught" and see exactly what the disciples taught. It wasn't nothing at all what the JW's preach door to door.

 

[Pegg]

Oh dear...this is what "a little knowledge" accomplishes...any wonder they say that this is a "dangerous thing"

The word used in Matt 24: 3 is "parousia" and it doesn't mean "coming"...it means he is "presence".

This is why Jesus gave a "sign of his presence and of the conclusion of the system of things". Why would a "sign" be necessary if the event was visible to all? Jesus was enthroned in the heavens as king of God's kingdom....this was unseen to humans. It was a time when his enemies were now "placed as a stool for his feet" (Psalm 110:1, 2) He had been waiting at his Father's right hand for this moment. Though it was unseen to humans it was seen in vision by Daniel (Dan 7:13, 14)

The word "coming" is a completely different word to "presence". If you go to Phil 2:12 you will see that the same word (parousia) is used by Paul in contrasting it with his absence. So it isn't as cut and dried as you imagine. Most Bibles give the wrong impression by translating the word "parousia" as "coming". His "coming" is yet future when he appears to the whole world as judge. (2 Thess 1:7-9) People will then "see the son of man coming on the clouds with power and great glory". Those who did not discern his presence by the signs he gave, will not be prepared for his coming to judge the world. The last days were the time period when the preaching of the "good news of God's kingdom" was to be preached "in all the inhabited earth for a witness to all the nations"....only after that was accomplished, would "the end" come.

i like the illustration of the jigsaw puzzle. If you put just one piece in the wrong place, its difficult to put all the other pieces together.

 

[JayJayDee]

And just to clarify, I have nothing against JW's personally, nothing. I admire your passion and loyalty. If all of Christ's followers were like most of you, only preach and teach Jesus, not armaggedon and paradise earth, the world would be a better place.

Now that's funny! Armageddon and the paradise earth are part of the good news of the kingdom!

Armageddon will cleanse the earth in the same manner as God cleansed a wicked world once before....only this time it will not be by a flood. The response of the people will be the same however. Noah was a "preacher of righteousness" but his words fell on deaf ears...they chose to ridicule him instead. Disbelieving cost them their lives. They felt confident because no one believed him. It will happen again. (Matt 24:3-39) "Few" are on the road to life! (Matt 7:13, 14; 2 Pet 2:4-10)

Paradise on earth is where God placed the first humans. He did not place them in heaven, nor did he ever intend for humans to go there. Everlasting life was to be enjoyed right here. God has not changed his purpose for the earth.
Life on this beautiful planet was God's first purpose and it will come to its completion with a perfect race of obedient humans serving God forever in the earthly realm of his kingdom.

 

[djhwoodwerks]

And what do you have against paradise earth? Wasnt that Gods purpose in the very beginning?? Do you disagree that the earth is something precious and worth looking after??

If you want to believe for earth, that's your right, I'm believing for heaven.

Eph 2:3-7 (ESVST) . 4 But God, being rich in mercy, because of the great love with which he loved us, 5 even when we were dead in our trespasses, made us alive together with Christ — by grace you have been saved — 6 and raised us up with him and seated us with him in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus, 7 so that in the coming ages he might show the immeasurable riches of his grace in kindness toward us in Christ Jesus.

This is my belief. I don't believe He is Just talking to a few people.

Eph 1:1-2 (ESVST) 1 Paul, an apostle of Christ Jesus by the will of God,To the saints who are in Ephesus, and are faithful in Christ Jesus: 2 Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.

I don't believe that he is only talking to 3 or 4 people here. He's talking to everyone who puts faith in Jesus Christ.

Rom 12:3 (ESVST) 3 For by the grace given to me I say to everyone among you not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think, but to think with sober judgment, each according to the measure of faith that God has assigned.

This is the GB. How in the world can a group of men say they are better than anyone else? How can they tell someone, I'm accepted to heaven, but you're not. God likes me better than He does you. They will be humbled, you can count on that.

 

[Pegg]

I have nothing against those things. But that's not what Jesus said to preach. Not one apostle taught about either of those subjects, not one. The GB just uses them to scare people to lure them in. Show me one verse from Acts to Jude where any disciple opened his dialog with armaggedon or paradise earth. If paradise earth was what Jesus taught then to preach, don't you agree it would be at the forefront of their teaching?

Acts 17:30 True, God has overlooked the times of such ignorance;+ but now he is declaring to all people everywhere that they should repent. 31 Because he has set a day on which he purposes to judge+ the inhabited earth in righteousness by a man whom he has appointed, and he has provided a guarantee to all men by resurrecting him from the dead.”

Acts 10:42 Also, he ordered us to preach to the people and to give a thorough witness+ that this is the one decreed by God to be judge of the living and the dead.+43 To him all the prophets bear witness,+ that everyone putting faith in him receives forgiveness of sins through his name.”


2cor 5;10 For we must all appear* before the judgment seat of the Christ, so that each one may be repaid according to the things he has practiced while in the body, whether good or bad.

Luke 23:43 “You will be with me in Paradise.”

 

[djhwoodwerks]

Now that's funny! Armageddon and the paradise earth are part of the good news of the kingdom!

That's funny! Because not one apostle or disciple preached it! So either the disciples preached in error or that was not the Gospel of the Kingdom. "JESUS" is the "GOOD NEWS" of the Kingdom.

PLEASE show me one verse where the disciples or apostles preached "PARADISE EARTH"

 

[Pegg]

If you want to believe for earth, that's your right, I'm believing for heaven.

Eph 2:3-7 (ESVST) . 4 But God, being rich in mercy, because of the great love with which he loved us, 5 even when we were dead in our trespasses, made us alive together with Christ — by grace you have been saved — 6 and raised us up with him and seated us with him in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus, 7 so that in the coming ages he might show the immeasurable riches of his grace in kindness toward us in Christ Jesus.

This is my belief. I don't believe He is Just talking to a few people.

Eph 1:1-2 (ESVST) 1 Paul, an apostle of Christ Jesus by the will of God,To the saints who are in Ephesus, and are faithful in Christ Jesus: 2 Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.

I don't believe that he is only talking to 3 or 4 people here. He's talking to everyone who puts faith in Jesus Christ.

Rom 12:3 (ESVST) 3 For by the grace given to me I say to everyone among you not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think, but to think with sober judgment, each according to the measure of faith that God has assigned.

This is the GB. How in the world can a group of men say they are better than anyone else? How can they tell someone, I'm accepted to heaven, but you're not. God likes me better than He does you. They will be humbled, you can count on that.

Yes, there are two hopes. one hope is for heaven. the other hope is for paradise earth.

The WT are the only christians who have ever bothered with the paradise. Everyone else is focused only on heaven and completely ignore the obvious.

 

[JFish123]

The Watchtower is a False Prophet who mAde numerous false predictions, and literally changed what the bible said to fit their own ideology. If that's not a false prophet that Jesus warned us about I don't know what is.

 

[JFish123]

Watch these clips if you have any free time on how to show Jesus IS God to Jehovahs Witnesses. There less than 10 mins each

 

[djhwoodwerks]

Acts 17:30 True, God has overlooked the times of such ignorance;+ but now he is declaring to all people everywhere that they should repent. 31 Because he has set a day on which he purposes to judge+ the inhabited earth in righteousness by a man whom he has appointed, and he has provided a guarantee to all men by resurrecting him from the dead.”

What has this got to do with aramgeddon or paradise earth?

Act 17:29-30 (ESVST) 29 Being then God 's offspring, we ought not to think that the divine being is like gold or silver or stone, an image formed by the art and imagination of man. 30 The times of ignorance God overlooked, but now he commands all people everywhere to repent. This is what they were preaching, not armaggedon.

Acts 10:42 Also, he ordered us to preach to the people and to give a thorough witness+ that this is the one decreed by God to be judge of the living and the dead.+43 To him all the prophets bear witness,+ that everyone putting faith in him receives forgiveness of sins through his name.”

Don't take it out of context. What were they preaching?

Act 10:34-43 (ESVST) 34 So Peter opened his mouth and said:" Truly I understand that God shows no partiality, 35 but in every nation anyone who fears him and does what is right is acceptable to him. 36 As for the word that he sent to Israel, preaching good news of peace through Jesus Christ ( he is Lord of all), 37 you yourselves know what happened throughout all Judea, beginning from Galilee after the baptism that John proclaimed:38 how God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Spirit and with power. He went about doing good and healing all who were oppressed by the devil, for God was with him. 39 And we are witnesses of all that he did both in the country of the Jews and in Jerusalem. They put him to death by hanging him on a tree, 40 but God raised him on the third day and made him to appear, 41 not to all the people but to us who had been chosen by God as witnesses, who ate and drank with him after he rose from the dead. 42 And he commanded us to preach to the people and to testify that he is the one appointed by God to be judge of the living and the dead. 43 To him all the prophets bear witness that everyone who believes in him receives forgiveness of sins through his name."



What is the subject of this teaching?

2Co 5:6-10 (ESVST) 6 So we are always of good courage. We know that while we are at home in the body we are away from the Lord, 7 for we walk by faith, not by sight. 8 Yes, we are of good courage, and we would rather be away from the body and at home with the Lord. 9 So whether we are at home or away, we make it our aim to please him. 10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, so that each one may receive what is due for what he has done in the body, whether good or evil.

Luke 23:43 “You will be with me in Paradise.”

Jesus told the criminal on the cross he will be with Him in paradise, lol, was that Jesus preaching to the man?

 

[djhwoodwerks]

The WT are the only christians who have ever bothered with the paradise. Everyone else is focused only on heaven and completely ignore the obvious.

The WT taught that Jesus appointed the GB over all His belongings in 1919. The WT taught that Jesus has been separating the sheep and the goats since 1919, the WT taught that the tribulation started in 1914. The WT focused on these "TRUTHS" for 100 years. Christendom didn't focus on or teach them, who was right?

 

[JFish123]

Is Jesus really the Arch Angel Michael? Let's find out...

 

[djhwoodwerks]

Yes, there are two hopes. one hope is for heaven. the other hope is for paradise earth.

Please show me in the scripture where it says there are two hopes. Especially the hope of "PARADISE EARTH"

 

[Mountain_Climber]

This verse is true, you believe there is one God you do well. The demons believe there is one God.

John 3:16-18 (ESVST) . 17 For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him. 18 Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God.

Can demons believe in the atoning work of Jesus?




Rom 6:22-23 (ESVST) . 23 For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.

Eph 2:4-9 (ESVST) 4 But God, being rich in mercy, because of the great love with which he loved us, 5 even when we were dead in our trespasses, made us alive together with Christ — by grace you have been saved — 6 and raised us up with him and seated us with him in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus, 7 so that in the coming ages he might show the immeasurable riches of his grace in kindness toward us in Christ Jesus. 8 For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, 9 not a result of works, so that no one may boast.

2Ti 1:9 (ESVST) 9 who saved us and called us to a holy calling, not because of our works but because of his own purpose and grace, which he gave us in Christ Jesus before the ages began,

Tit 3:5 (ESVST) 5 he saved us, not because of works done by us in righteousness, but according to his own mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewal of the Holy Spirit,

I know people claim this speaks of the Mosaic law, but I believe it speaks of a lot more. Some people believe that if they do good to other people they will be saved. Some believe that their salvation depends on how many doors they knock on. Some people believe that just because they are a good person they will go to heaven. We can do "nothing" of our own to be saved. We can't be good enough, whether it is following the law, taking your elderly neighbor lunch, paying for the persons food behind you at McDonalds drive thru, going to church. (Mat 7:21-23 (ESVST) . 22 On that day many will say to me, ' Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name? ' 23 And then will I declare to them, 'I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.) Faith in the atoning work of Jesus is the only way for salvation. There is no other way, none!

People say that you have to follow God's commandments to be saved, belief isn't enough. Belief is enough. Can you believe in Jesus and accept His sacrifice for your sins and not love Him? I don't think so. Jesus said, (John 14:15 (ESVST) 15 " If you love me, you will keep my commandments.) We don't get and keep salvation from being doers of the Word, He said if you love me, you "WILL" keep my commandments.

That works a bit both directions. One can under-appreciate the need for good works as a part of faith which works by love (Galatians 5:6).

Conversely, and at least just as common, one can get a big head, thinking that they have shown of their own works that they are in effect better than others, thus getting themselves roped into the trap of pride just as the Pharisees did. Their own imbalanced thinking then destroys the value of their works by the lack of love in those works. For that then violates Galatians 5:6 and is the very trap Paul warned us against at 1 Corinthians 13:1-3.

Where people tend to make their mistakes in connection with this subject is at one or the other extremes. The things I here highlighted are why this subject is important.

It is just as untrue to say that one can be saved apart from having good works as it is to say that one can be saved by good works.

Romans 2:7 "To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:

Romans 2:10 "But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile.."

Galatians 5:6 "For in Jesus Christ neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision; but faith which worketh by love."

 

[djhwoodwerks]

If paradise earth is as important as the JW's claim it is, wouldn't it have been preached more than say, hell?

 

[Mountain_Climber]

If paradise earth is as important as the JW's claim it is, wouldn't it have been preached more than say, hell?

Malachy thinks you be getting tired.

 

[djhwoodwerks]

Hello MC! I agree with you. My point is, good works has nothing to do with salvation. BUT, when a person is saved and really loves Jesus, he/she will have good works because they will want to please their Lord.

Jn 14:15 (ESVST) 15 " If you love me, you will keep my commandments.

 

[djhwoodwerks]

Galatians 5:6 "For in Jesus Christ neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision; but faith which worketh by love."

Are you saying love is a work?

1Jo 2:3-5 (ESVST) . 4 Whoever says "I know him" but does not keep his commandments is a liar, and the truth is not in him, 5 but whoever keeps his word, in him truly the love of God is perfected.

1Jo 5:1-5 (ESVST) 1 Everyone who believes that Jesus is the Christ has been born of God, and everyone who loves the Father loves whoever has been born of him. 2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God and obey his commandments. 3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments. And his commandments are not burdensome. 4 For everyone who has been born of God overcomes the world. And this is the victory that has overcome the world — our faith. 5 Who is it that overcomes the world except the one who believes that Jesus is the Son of God?

 

[JFish123]

Question to JW: how can the scripture be true that, "Jesus is the SAME then, now, and forever," if He was a spiritual angel, then a human, then an angel again? As since JW don't believe men have a soul or spirit, the spiritual angel Michael ceased to exist when Jesus was born, then Jesus lived 33 years and died, then the spiritual Michael was recreated? How is that the same? Is the scripture wrong or the Watchtower?