Is Islam Responsible for the Charlie Hebdo Murders?

[Elusive Truth]

What actions of Atheists are you referring to. Communists certainly have committed attrocities, but they certainly do not represent the entire Atheist community? Or, do you actually think that they do?

First off it is disrespectful for Atheist and Radical Islamic to attack with rudeness or threats to another life if they do not agree with the Atheism or the Radical Islam.

Both have committed atrocities yes, and it does not matter if it represents a community... it all comes down to the individual, just as every ideology begins, with a thought process/pattern.

*we know where this leads by now, you are not going to preach atheism to the choir.
**observation of human nature/nature (science)
***we are just animals, a human life is worth nothing, no one is special

 

[YmirGF]

First off it is disrespectful for Atheist and Radical Islamic to attack with rudeness or threats to another life if they do not agree with the Atheism or the Radical Islam.

Both have committed atrocities yes, and it does not matter if it represents a community... it all comes down to the individual, just as every ideology begins, with a thought process/pattern.

*we know where this leads by now, you are not going to preach atheism to the choir.
**observation of human nature/nature (science)
***we are just animals, a human life is worth nothing, no one is special

But.... but... but.... with a brush that is painting so wide a swath, we can also say that religious, pious human animals have also carried out acts of wanton aggression, rampages of killing, etc... Your own argument makes your argument silly.

 

[Elusive Truth]

Fact?! You claim that Communism, Atheism, and Extremist Islam are all the same thing. Not just that they have things in common, but they are exactly the same thing. Nothing could be further from being considered a "fact." Especially when you have not made any valid argument connecting the 3.

Science know the signs and patterns that make up a serial killer too... (abuse animals/sexual abuse/dissociative behavior, sociopath, self-abuse, ect)

Science is getting better at recognizing these connecting patterns.

*Without God there are No Rules -Jeffrey Dahmer

 

[Elusive Truth]

You are speaking about Communism, not Atheism. They are terms that mean very different things. Sure, some communists are atheists, but communism certainly does not represent atheists around the globe.

Are we having enough of this debate yet?

(Christians shielding Atheism/Darwinism/Marxism/Communism and Radical Islam... weird)

I might not call you for jury duty...

Marxist–Leninist atheism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Dialectical materialism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

*You just have to listen to what they are "actually" saying.

 

[Elusive Truth]

But.... but... but.... with a brush that is painting so wide a swath, we can also say that religious, pious human animals have also carried out acts of wanton aggression, rampages of killing, etc... Your own argument makes your argument silly.

The lens that is being used while viewing the brushes swath on the canvas is even larger... where could one get such a huge lens?

I'll buy one.

 

[YmirGF]

The lens that is being used while viewing the brushes swath on the canvas is even larger... where could one get such a huge lens?

I'll buy one.

So, you admit your entire argument is downright dishonest and further, just plain silly? I guess we are getting somewhere.

 

[Elusive Truth]

So, you admit your entire argument is downright dishonest and further, just plain silly? I guess we are getting somewhere.

Please start form the beginning and at my first post in this thread.

You have obviously missed quite a lot

The only thing I have seen is silly dogmas defending DarwinianAtheisticMarxistCommunism(...yes that is all one word) and Radical Islam.

I have also seen silly articles posted about "Christian Nations the size of States" (or vastly smaller) having a better life or something.

I mine as well call Arlington County Va a Country?

...and life is better in my arlington county sized Country

 

[leibowde84]

First off it is disrespectful for Atheist and Radical Islamic to attack with rudeness or threats to another life if they do not agree with the Atheism or the Radical Islam.

Both have committed atrocities yes, and it does not matter if it represents a community... it all comes down to the individual, just as every ideology begins, with a thought process/pattern.

*we know where this leads by now, you are not going to preach atheism to the choir.
**observation of human nature/nature (science)
***we are just animals, a human life is worth nothing, no one is special

I am not an atheist. But, we actually know that we are just animals. And, atheists do not adhere to the notion that human lives are worth nothing and no one is special. Care to provide some proof, as I can confidently say that is not true in the least. There are evil atheists just like with every religion as well, but that does not mean that evil comes from atheism.

 

[leibowde84]

First off it is disrespectful for Atheist and Radical Islamic to attack with rudeness or threats to another life if they do not agree with the Atheism or the Radical Islam.

Both have committed atrocities yes, and it does not matter if it represents a community... it all comes down to the individual, just as every ideology begins, with a thought process/pattern.

*we know where this leads by now, you are not going to preach atheism to the choir.
**observation of human nature/nature (science)
***we are just animals, a human life is worth nothing, no one is special

There are plenty of Christians that are pretty terrible too.

 

[Elusive Truth]

So, you admit your entire argument is downright dishonest and further, just plain silly? I guess we are getting somewhere.

Hudspeth "county" Texas is larger than Switzerland!

lol #1 on the silly articles list.

Life is better in my county ...believe me

County - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[leibowde84]

Please start form the beginning and at my first post in this thread.

You have obviously missed quite a lot

The only thing I have seen is silly dogmas defending DarwinianAtheisticMarxistCommunism(...yes that is all one word) and Radical Islam.

I have also seen silly articles posted about "Christian Nations the size of States" (or vastly smaller) having a better life or something.

I mine as well call Arlington County Va a Country?

...and life is better in my arlington county sized Country

It's hard to talk to discuss things with someone who makes up their own definition of words. Here is the definition of "atheism." Now, tell me how it is "the same as communism." Not similar, not alike, but exactly the same thing. Then we can move on.

Atheism - the lack of belief in a deity.

 

[Cephus]

They are *nominally* Christian nations. In Norway, for example, you are automatically registered with the state church if one parent is a member, but most Norwegians are only culturally Christian.

Richard Dawkins describes himself as a cultural Catholic. He grew up in a culture which was highly influenced by Catholicism and even though he doesn't believe the religious aspect, it's hard not to be affected by many of the social aspects.

 

[Jumi]

Elusive, instead of hijacking this thread for your own strange ideas, why not start proper threads of your own?

 

[morphesium]

An atheist blogger at Patheos says yes:

Sure, Saudi Arabia’s government is solely at fault when it executes someone for speaking out against it. But you can’t blame the government alone for Saudi blogger Raif Badawi’s sentence of 1,000 lashes and ten years in prison for the crime of insulting Islam. To do so is an insult to Badawi and the countless others killed in the name of blasphemy, like those at Charlie Hebdo.

Werleman knows politics, and he is often correct about the political climate in the US and elsewhere. He is also often correct about the steps we need to take politically to ease tensions and remove a powerful recruitment method from these extremists. But he seems too wrapped up in his own ideological position to see the damage done by ignoring all of the problems of Islam, thereby exempting it from any responsibility.

While there seems to be a growing number of non-Muslim Islam apologists, this rule of “anything but Islam” does not seem to transfer to all religions, making the argument even more spurious. When Christians attack an abortion clinic and say they were inspired by religious belief, we take them at their word and rely on moderate, liberal Christians to speak out and condemn such actions. But when Muslims chant religious text while blowing themselves up or gunning down a magazine staff, and then religious terrorist groups take credit for the attack, the faux-liberal Islamic apologists claim religion had nothing to do with it. Anyone who claims otherwise a racist and Islamophobic. If we continue to ignore religion’s influence on Islamic extremism we are allowing these groups carte blanche to exploit religion as one of the most effective recruitment tools in their struggle for power.

What do you think? Does Dan Arel have a point?

Yes.

1. A percentage of Zakat money is spent to fueling terrorism. wikipedia link here.
   
2. Muslims who constitutes 23% of world population, contributes to 95% of world terrorism. (Had it been a peaceful as it claims, religion, it should not contribute any more than 1.5%)
   
3. We know that ISIS are barbaric people and our morale cant accept their acts. But where there are muslims, there are ISIS supporters. It only shows that there is unethical and malicious training activities going on under the cover of mulsim preachings. If it is not their deep rooted trainings, why should they kill someone just because someone criticized P. Muhammad?

Oil money in dirty hands along with a dirty religion that never lets its followers to make any progress - that should describe the present scenario and what we see is just a tip of an iceberg and it will only get even worse.


Of course there are a lot of good and peaceful muslims out there, it is because of the inherent quality of those people that they themselves are good, not because of the quality of their religion.

 

[Cephus]

Elusive, instead of hijacking this thread for your own strange ideas, why not start proper threads of your own?

 

[YmirGF]

What is amazing to me is that now, twice in one week, I have debated with myself on whether to utilize the ignore feature on two new RF acquaintances. It's amazing because I've never seriously thought of ignoring given posters permanently in all the years I've been here.

So, yeah, kudo's on the thread hijacking for a driveling narrative.

 

[Cephus]

What is amazing to me is that now, twice in one week, I have debated with myself on whether to utilize the ignore feature on two new RF acquaintances. It's amazing because I've never seriously thought of ignoring given posters permanently in all the years I've been here.

So, yeah, kudo's on the thread hijacking for a driveling narrative.

I tend not to, although he just became my first and only ignore on RF. Some people are just so irrational that they cannot be bothered with.

 

[Elusive Truth]

I tend not to, although he just became my first and only ignore on RF. Some people are just so irrational that they cannot be bothered with.

Ignore the elusive truth all you want...

I have busted wide open the tripe thrown at me in this thread.

 

[leibowde84]

Science know the signs and patterns that make up a serial killer too... (abuse animals/sexual abuse/dissociative behavior, sociopath, self-abuse, ect)

Science is getting better at recognizing these connecting patterns.

*Without God there are No Rules -Jeffrey Dahmer

Why would the opinion of Jeffrey Dahmer matter at all. He was psychopathic. Maybe he thought that without God there are no rules, but he was wrong about lots of stuff.

 

[leibowde84]

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You are just a troll aren't you?! That's why you keep on saying things that don't make any sense as if they are obvious fact, then refuse to answer any questions. Right? Or are you being serious?