The Holy Rosary

[Spiderman]

The Rosary (Latin: rosarium, meaning "crown of roses" or "garland of roses"[1]), in its most commonly known format as the Dominican rosary,[2][3] is a form of prayer used especially in the Catholic Church or a string of prayer beads used to count the component prayers. When used of the form of prayer, the word is usually capitalized ("the Rosary"), as is customary for other names of prayers, such as "the Lord's Prayer", "the Hail Mary", "the Magnificat". When referring to the beads, it is normally written with a lower-case initial ("a rosary").

The prayers that essentially compose the Rosary are arranged in sets of ten Hail Marys preceded by one Lord's Prayer and followed by one Glory Be. During recitation of each set, known as a decade, thought is given to one of the Mysteries of the Rosary, which recall events in the lives ofJesus and Mary. Normally, five decades are recited in a session. Other prayers are sometimes added after each decade (in particular, theFátima Prayer) and before (in particular, the Apostles' Creed), and after (in particular, the Hail, Holy Queen) the five decades taken as a whole.

On each Decade of the Rosary there is a Gospel mystery that is to be meditated on. 19 of the 20 mysteries of the Rosary are based on the Gospel.

They are, the Annunciation of the Archangel Gabriel to the Blessed Virgin Mary, The visitation of Mary to the Parents of Saint John the Baptist, The Birth of Jesus, the presentation of Christ to the temple, and the Finding of Christ at the temple.

THe Sorrowful mysteries are the agony in the garden of gethsemane, the Scourging at the pillar, the crowning of thorns, the carrying of the cross, and the crucifixion.

The luminous mysterious are the Baptism of Jesus in the Jordan, the wedding at cana, the preaching of the kingdom of God, the Transfiguration on Mount Tabor, and the Institution of the Eucharist (last supper)

The Glorious mysteries are the Resurrection of our Lord, the Ascension of Christ into heaven, the Descent of the Holy Spirit upon the apostles, the Assumption, and the Coronation.

Enormous amounts of miracles are attributed to the Rosary. Not the Rosary itself but the grace of God working through the Rosary.

The mighty feastday of the Rosary is October 7th
On October 7, the Roman Catholic Church celebrates the yearly feast of Our Lady of the Rosary. Known for several centuries by the alternate title of “Our Lady of Victory,” the feast day takes place in honor of a 16th century naval victory which secured Europe against Turkish invasion. Pope St. Pius V attributed the victory to the intercession of the Blessed Virgin Mary, who was invoked on the day of the battle through a campaign to pray the Rosary throughout Europe.
FEAST OF OUR LADY OF THE ROSARY :: Catholic News Agency (CNA)

The Rosary is the weapon- Padre Pio

The Rosary is a prayer of praise, a prayer of meditation, a prayer of Scripture, a profession of the most important Doctrines of the Christian faith, a profession of the most sacred mysteries of Christianity, and a prayer of petition.

 

[kjv4me2you]

The Rosary (Latin: rosarium, meaning "crown of roses" or "garland of roses"[1]), in its most commonly known format as the Dominican rosary,[2][3] is a form of prayer used especially in the Catholic Church or a string of prayer beads used to count the component prayers. When used of the form of prayer, the word is usually capitalized ("the Rosary"), as is customary for other names of prayers, such as "the Lord's Prayer", "the Hail Mary", "the Magnificat". When referring to the beads, it is normally written with a lower-case initial ("a rosary").

The prayers that essentially compose the Rosary are arranged in sets of ten Hail Marys preceded by one Lord's Prayer and followed by one Glory Be. During recitation of each set, known as a decade, thought is given to one of the Mysteries of the Rosary, which recall events in the lives ofJesus and Mary. Normally, five decades are recited in a session. Other prayers are sometimes added after each decade (in particular, theFátima Prayer) and before (in particular, the Apostles' Creed), and after (in particular, the Hail, Holy Queen) the five decades taken as a whole.

On each Decade of the Rosary there is a Gospel mystery that is to be meditated on. 19 of the 20 mysteries of the Rosary are based on the Gospel.

They are, the Annunciation of the Archangel Gabriel to the Blessed Virgin Mary, The visitation of Mary to the Parents of Saint John the Baptist, The Birth of Jesus, the presentation of Christ to the temple, and the Finding of Christ at the temple.

THe Sorrowful mysteries are the agony in the garden of gethsemane, the Scourging at the pillar, the crowning of thorns, the carrying of the cross, and the crucifixion.

The luminous mysterious are the Baptism of Jesus in the Jordan, the wedding at cana, the preaching of the kingdom of God, the Transfiguration on Mount Tabor, and the Institution of the Eucharist (last supper)

The Glorious mysteries are the Resurrection of our Lord, the Ascension of Christ into heaven, the Descent of the Holy Spirit upon the apostles, the Assumption, and the Coronation.

Enormous amounts of miracles are attributed to the Rosary. Not the Rosary itself but the grace of God working through the Rosary.

The mighty feastday of the Rosary is October 7th
On October 7, the Roman Catholic Church celebrates the yearly feast of Our Lady of the Rosary. Known for several centuries by the alternate title of “Our Lady of Victory,” the feast day takes place in honor of a 16th century naval victory which secured Europe against Turkish invasion. Pope St. Pius V attributed the victory to the intercession of the Blessed Virgin Mary, who was invoked on the day of the battle through a campaign to pray the Rosary throughout Europe.
FEAST OF OUR LADY OF THE ROSARY :: Catholic News Agency (CNA)

The Rosary is the weapon- Padre Pio

The Rosary is a prayer of praise, a prayer of meditation, a prayer of Scripture, a profession of the most important Doctrines of the Christian faith, a profession of the most sacred mysteries of Christianity, and a prayer of petition.

Jesus taught the Our Father not the hail Mary rosary. No apostles that Jesus chose said the rosary.
As one who wants to do what Jesus said to do and because Jesus said
(John 15:14 KJV) Ye are my friends, if ye do whatsoever I command you.

The Rosary (Latin: rosarium, meaning "crown of roses" or "garland of roses"[1]), in its most commonly known format as the Dominican rosary,[2][3] is a form of prayer used especially in the Catholic Church or a string of prayer beads used to count the component prayers. When used of the form of prayer, the word is usually capitalized ("the Rosary"), as is customary for other names of prayers, such as "the Lord's Prayer", "the Hail Mary", "the Magnificat". When referring to the beads, it is normally written with a lower-case initial ("a rosary").

The prayers that essentially compose the Rosary are arranged in sets of ten Hail Marys preceded by one Lord's Prayer and followed by one Glory Be. During recitation of each set, known as a decade, thought is given to one of the Mysteries of the Rosary, which recall events in the lives ofJesus and Mary. Normally, five decades are recited in a session. Other prayers are sometimes added after each decade (in particular, theFátima Prayer) and before (in particular, the Apostles' Creed), and after (in particular, the Hail, Holy Queen) the five decades taken as a whole.

On each Decade of the Rosary there is a Gospel mystery that is to be meditated on. 19 of the 20 mysteries of the Rosary are based on the Gospel.

They are, the Annunciation of the Archangel Gabriel to the Blessed Virgin Mary, The visitation of Mary to the Parents of Saint John the Baptist, The Birth of Jesus, the presentation of Christ to the temple, and the Finding of Christ at the temple.

THe Sorrowful mysteries are the agony in the garden of gethsemane, the Scourging at the pillar, the crowning of thorns, the carrying of the cross, and the crucifixion.

The luminous mysterious are the Baptism of Jesus in the Jordan, the wedding at cana, the preaching of the kingdom of God, the Transfiguration on Mount Tabor, and the Institution of the Eucharist (last supper)

The Glorious mysteries are the Resurrection of our Lord, the Ascension of Christ into heaven, the Descent of the Holy Spirit upon the apostles, the Assumption, and the Coronation.

Enormous amounts of miracles are attributed to the Rosary. Not the Rosary itself but the grace of God working through the Rosary.

The mighty feastday of the Rosary is October 7th
On October 7, the Roman Catholic Church celebrates the yearly feast of Our Lady of the Rosary. Known for several centuries by the alternate title of “Our Lady of Victory,” the feast day takes place in honor of a 16th century naval victory which secured Europe against Turkish invasion. Pope St. Pius V attributed the victory to the intercession of the Blessed Virgin Mary, who was invoked on the day of the battle through a campaign to pray the Rosary throughout Europe.
FEAST OF OUR LADY OF THE ROSARY :: Catholic News Agency (CNA)

The Rosary is the weapon- Padre Pio

The Rosary is a prayer of praise, a prayer of meditation, a prayer of Scripture, a profession of the most important Doctrines of the Christian faith, a profession of the most sacred mysteries of Christianity, and a prayer of petition.

 

[wgw]

The Rosary isa good prayer if said without contemplation of the mysteries. Orthodox ascetic experience has taught us that involving the imagination in prayer is very dangerous; at best, it is spiritually fruitless and at worst it leads to madness.

I recommend the continual repeating of the Jesus Prayer: "Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on me, a sinner." Orthodox, especially monastics, use prayer ropes with 33 to 200 knots on average to help them count the number of recitations. The continual recitation of the Jesus Prayer can lead to one attaining the unceasing prayer of the heart and beholding the uncreated light of tabor, but the prayer must be said not as a mantra, but with focus on the words, with deep humility and repentance. Orthodox prayer ropes have a brush on the end to absorb the free flowing tears that are often a gift from God to those who say the prayer. The prayer itself is Biblical, being a combination of two quotes from the Gospels.

As far as the Lords Prayer is concerned, rhis sublime prayer is the most perfect of prayers, and the Orthodox use it at the climax of each of our liturgical services. The minimum recommended prayer rule for an Orthodox Christian is to say the Lords Prayer thrice daily: on waking, at midday, and before sleep.

 

[wgw]

By the way, Orthodox prayer ropes are made to be used silently unlike rosary beads. I have one and also a rosary; I use both in accordance with the procedures outlined above. I have on order a lestovka, which is the best kind of prayer rope, used by the Russian Old Believers. It has multiple counters on it so you can use it for the Lords Prayer, to track the number of prostrations in certain old believer prayers, to keep track of the 40 Kyrie Eleisons (41 in Coptic usage) that conclude the hours, et cetera.

Also before any fundamentalist dares utter the words "vain repetitions", firstly, Jesus also said pray without ceasing. Secondly, the emphasis is on the word vain. Saying the Lord's Prayer, begging the Lord for mercy, or begging the lord for mercy while admitting you are a sinner, even if repeated, are not vain. Thirdly, the Greek word Jesus utters in the NT texts is better translated as babbling, and likely refers to the bizarre glossolalia and mantric prayer that characterized the Mithraic mysteries, some aspects of the Zoroastrian Yasna ritual, Hindu and Buddhist mantras, and which also would later apply to meaningless strings of vowels in the Gnostic liturgies. It also applies to the glossolalia that Pentecostalists dare to equate to the gift of languages granted the disciples to help them rapidly spread the Gospel.

 

[Pegg]

I wonder what Jesus would say about the rosary?

 

[Unveiled Artist]

He'd probably smile as He looked at her from the cross saying to His disciples "behold your Mother." Letting them know dont look down on the "Mother of Jesus"; take care of her. Probably why she considered Holy and full of grace. My question...I wonder how Jesus would feel at those who put down His mother?

I wonder what Jesus would say about the rosary?

 

[Pegg]

He'd probably smile as He looked at her from the cross saying to His disciples "behold your Mother." Letting them know dont look down on the "Mother of Jesus"; take care of her. Probably why she considered Holy and full of grace. My question...I wonder how Jesus would feel at those who put down His mother?

Was Mary holding a Rosary?

 

[JayJayDee]

He'd probably smile as He looked at her from the cross saying to His disciples "behold your Mother." Letting them know dont look down on the "Mother of Jesus"; take care of her. Probably why she considered Holy and full of grace. My question...I wonder how Jesus would feel at those who put down His mother?

Keeping Mary where the Bible places here is not putting her down. If Jesus did not elevate his mother to any special status, then why would we? Mary was the mother of Jesus, not the mother of God.

Jesus had siblings, who were not yet believers, so he gave her care over to the apostle John because he was specifically taking care of her spiritual welfare, not just her physical well being.

As far as prayer is concerned, Jesus said at Matthew 6:7-9....“And when you are praying, do not use meaningless repetition as the Gentiles do, for they suppose that they will be heard for their many words. So do not be like them; for your Father knows what you need before you ask Him. “Pray, then, in this way:
‘Our Father who is in heaven,Hallowed be Your name......"

No repetitious prayers were to be offered because God doesn't require mindless repetition, but Jesus taught us to pray for things in order of priority. God's name and kingdom came first.....then personal needs.
He said to pray this "way", not this "prayer".

If our children were to repeat the same things to us over and over to us every day, how would we feel about that? Wouldn't we want to dong them on the head and tell them to just talk to us?

 

[Unveiled Artist]

I understand whatcha saying. Dont take this as an insult but you really have to pray and understand the nature of the rosary in order to see beyond the outward appearence--repeativeness,beads,crucifix and see it a spiritual light.

If you were alive in Jesus day would you just tell Mary "oh since youre not the Mother of God you dont deserve my respect. Dont worry I will not pray for you; you are not worthy of my prayers." Jesus would be very angry you treat His Mother this way as God or not...to many cultures famil is important. Jesus is no different.

The nature of the rosary is not to make Mary special. It is to give Jesus Mother, friends, and fllowers the respect they deserve. To push them off because they are just human is so wrong.

I can see why it looks like peoples feathers are ruffled with focus on mary. I just wouldnt treat her bad because she is not the Mother of God.

If you believe Christ is God by technicality she is the mother of God who asked her son for her salvation

Keeping Mary where the Bible places here is not putting her down. If Jesus did not elevate his mother to any special status, then why would we? Mary was the mother of Jesus, not the mother of God.

Jesus had siblings, who were not yet believers, so he gave her care over to the apostle John because he was specifically taking care of her spiritual welfare, not just her physical well being.

As far as prayer is concerned, Jesus said at Matthew 6:7-9....“And when you are praying, do not use meaningless repetition as the Gentiles do, for they suppose that they will be heard for their many words. So do not be like them; for your Father knows what you need before you ask Him. “Pray, then, in this way:
‘Our Father who is in heaven,Hallowed be Your name......"

No repetitious prayers were to be offered because God doesn't require mindless repetition, but Jesus taught us to pray for things in order of priority. God's name and kingdom came first.....then personal needs.
He said to pray this "way", not this "prayer".

If our children were to repeat the same things to us over and over to us every day, how would we feel about that? Wouldn't we want to dong them on the head and tell them to just talk to us?

 

[JayJayDee]

I understand whatcha saying. Dont take this as an insult but you really have to pray and understand the nature of the rosary in order to see beyond the outward appearence--repeativeness,beads,crucifix and see it a spiritual light.

Regardless of the view that humans have been taught to place on these things, you will not find any of them mentioned in the Christian scriptures.

There were no prayer beads used in Christianity, but you will find them in other non-Christian religions. There were no repetitious prayers said by the first Christians, as Jesus taught us the "way" to pray.

There were no crucifixes because the use of images was considered to be idolatry. The law given to Israel was not to "make" images of "anything" to use in worship. (Ex 20:4)
The Apostle Paul said "we walk by faith and not by sight"...what does this suggest to you?

The cross was a religious symbol in ancient cultures way before Christ came into the world. It has particularly grubby origins. Did you know that the word "cross" is not even in the Bible?

If you were alive in Jesus day would you just tell Mary "oh since youre not the Mother of God you dont deserve my respect. Dont worry I will not pray for you; you are not worthy of my prayers." Jesus would be very angry you treat His Mother this way as God or not...to many cultures famil is important. Jesus is no different.

This is a Catholic attitude, not a Christian one. It is difficult for those raised in Catholicism to understand that Mary was never the mother of God to begin with. She was favored as the mother of Jesus. Nowhere is Jesus said to be Almighty God or his equal in any way. Jesus called his Father "the only true God". (John 17:3)

Ancient mother worship was grafted into Catholicism and the titles given to Mary were used for these mother goddesses long before the Catholic Church made her into something the scriptures never did. Google ancient mother worship and see for yourself.

We are never told to pray for the dead.....they are not in need of our prayers. We are told to pray for the living.

The nature of the rosary is not to make Mary special. It is to give Jesus Mother, friends, and fllowers the respect they deserve. To push them off because they are just human is so wrong.

There is no disrespect in placing Mary or any other human where the Bible itself places them. No one is "pushing them off".....We just don't idolise them. There is one God and he "alone" is to receive worship. (Luke 4:8) Jesus never claimed to be that God.

I can see why it looks like peoples feathers are ruffled with focus on mary. I just wouldnt treat her bad because she is not the Mother of God.

Who treats her "bad"? We give Mary the due respect that God gave her. We do not give her special attention as part of our worship. Jesus didn't, so why would we?

If you believe Christ is God by technicality she is the mother of God who asked her son for her salvation

If you knew about the origins of mother worship, you would see clearly where this title comes from. Trinities of gods are also ancient.
Babylon is the place where all these false religious ideas come from....not the Bible.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Its hard to quote on this phone but...let me put this in my view and experience when i practiced catholicism.

What I find troublesome is that in order for a practice to be right it "literaly" has to be in the Bible. I dont believe that and many other catholics do not. I believe any devotional method that "does not contradict" the Bible and is bringing that person to Christ is not wrong.

I used to pray the rosary. I believe that everyone is alive after our physical death. I pray to my grandma now which is no different than my praying to Mary then.

The problem is that protestants feel once a person is deceased they are dead. Hence no prayer to the dead. Catholics dont beleve in praying to the dead neither do I.

The Rosary is not in scripture nor are cross key chains and devotional books.

The problem is not the beads its Mary. Othrodox catholics do not pray to mary. They pray

“O Lord, Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy upon me, a sinner"

on the beads. There is no reference to Mary yet they use beads.

(Which makes me think of not lumping all Catholics in one bunch)

Another agurement i agree with is saying "I love you" to your parent. Should we only say that once in a blue moon?

Does God hate that Christians want to say how much they love Him again and again? Does His ears twitch when He has to hear I love you oonne morre tiimme?

Catholics pray Our Father on the Rosary. That is what Jesus taught us to pray. Mary seems to be obscuring their devotion to Christ.

Like crucifixes there are no key chains, cross jewerly. Is it because its in a Church? Maybe its wooden? No Catholic worships and idolizes the crucifix.

Since the cross (im assuming you mean an item rather than the cross jesus was crucified on?) is not in the bible all protestant churches should take down their crosses?

The crucix is not the Eucharist. May Catholics have it in their Church just as protestants the cross. Neither worships eother itwm. Neither are in the bible. What exactly makea these items wrong given like pew they are not worshiped?

Ex 20:4 are you saying Catholics are disobeying their own bible and catechism?

Regardless of the view that humans have been taught to place on these things, you will not find any of them mentioned in the Christian scriptures.

There were no prayer beads used in Christianity, but you will find them in other non-Christian religions. There were no repetitious prayers said by the first Christians, as Jesus taught us the "way" to pray.

There were no crucifixes because the use of images was considered to be idolatry. The law given to Israel was not to "make" images of "anything" to use in worship. (Ex 20:4)
The Apostle Paul said "we walk by faith and not by sight"...what does this suggest to you?

The cross was a religious symbol in ancient cultures way before Christ came into the world. It has particularly grubby origins. Did you know that the word "cross" is not even in the Bible?


This is a Catholic attitude, not a Christian one. It is difficult for those raised in Catholicism to understand that Mary was never the mother of God to begin with. She was favored as the mother of Jesus. Nowhere is Jesus said to be Almighty God or his equal in any way. Jesus called his Father "the only true God". (John 17:3)

Ancient mother worship was grafted into Catholicism and the titles given to Mary were used for these mother goddesses long before the Catholic Church made her into something the scriptures never did. Google ancient mother worship and see for yourself.

We are never told to pray for the dead.....they are not in need of our prayers. We are told to pray for the living.



There is no disrespect in placing Mary or any other human where the Bible itself places them. No one is "pushing them off".....We just don't idolise them. There is one God and he "alone" is to receive worship. (Luke 4:8) Jesus never claimed to be that God.



Who treats her "bad"? We give Mary the due respect that God gave her. We do not give her special attention as part of our worship. Jesus didn't, so why would we?



If you knew about the origins of mother worship, you would see clearly where this title comes from. Trinities of gods are also ancient.
Babylon is the place where all these false religious ideas come from....not the Bible.

 

[Shiranui117]

Keeping Mary where the Bible places here is not putting her down. If Jesus did not elevate his mother to any special status, then why would we? Mary was the mother of Jesus, not the mother of God.

Yet Jesus is God, so therefore Mary is the Mother of God in the flesh.

Jesus had siblings, who were not yet believers, so he gave her care over to the apostle John because he was specifically taking care of her spiritual welfare, not just her physical well being.

John was about to be very busy taking care of thousands of believers, and travel the world making disciples. I don't think he would have been very well-equipped to handle taking care of Mary's physical well-being! In fact, Mary had no other children of her own besides Jesus; Jesus' other siblings were half-siblings.

As far as prayer is concerned, Jesus said at Matthew 6:7-9....“And when you are praying, do not use meaningless repetition as the Gentiles do, for they suppose that they will be heard for their many words. So do not be like them; for your Father knows what you need before you ask Him. “Pray, then, in this way:
‘Our Father who is in heaven,Hallowed be Your name......"

No repetitious prayers were to be offered because God doesn't require mindless repetition, but Jesus taught us to pray for things in order of priority. God's name and kingdom came first.....then personal needs.
He said to pray this "way", not this "prayer".

If our children were to repeat the same things to us over and over to us every day, how would we feel about that? Wouldn't we want to dong them on the head and tell them to just talk to us?

But not all repetition is meaningless. Have you ever been in a conversation with someone and essentially repeated one point three or four times because you want to be sure that they understand? Let's say, for example, you're worried about overstepping your bounds and don't want to put out your own opinion as some sort of surefire fact or some thing you definitely want them to do. So you might be talking with them and say, "You know, I don't know everything about this situation, but I'm just going to say . . ." *conversation goes on for another while, and when you make another point, you say something like this* "Now again, I'm not in your shoes, nor do I pretend to know exactly how to go about this, but might you consider doing such and such?" Now, in praying with God, we repeat the same prayers, not out of rote habit, but because they teach us about God, and serve to help us deepen our relationship with Him and come into communion with Him, and because they help us to develop spiritual discipline and teach us how to form our extemporaneous prayers. Oftentimes I'll go back and say some of my prayers over again to make sure that my heart is in the prayer; if I get distracted during prayer, I start it over with renewed attention. This is not vain repetition, but meaningful repetition.

If you think about it, we repeat ourselves in our communications with people rather often. We greet them the same exact way each time (I personally say "Yo" almost every time), we ask them the same questions ("How's it going? How's your day been?"), and so on. These are segues into deeper conversation. In the same way, the Rosary is a way of asking Mary to pray to her Son on our behalf.

 

[Shiranui117]

There were no prayer beads used in Christianity, but you will find them in other non-Christian religions.

You find scriptures and religious services in other non-Christian religions, too. Guess we better ditch them.

There were no repetitious prayers said by the first Christians,

Except for the Psalms...

There were no crucifixes because the use of images was considered to be idolatry. The law given to Israel was not to "make" images of "anything" to use in worship. (Ex 20:4)

Then explain God commanding the Israelites to make images of the Cherubim? (Exodus 22:15-22; 37:7-8) Explain God blessing Solomon's Temple filled with images of Cherubim, angels, animals and plants? (1 Kings 6:23-35; 7:18-50)

The Apostle Paul said "we walk by faith and not by sight"...what does this suggest to you?

We walk by faith, and not by empirical evidence.

The cross was a religious symbol in ancient cultures way before Christ came into the world. It has particularly grubby origins. Did you know that the word "cross" is not even in the Bible?

And did you know that the Zoroastrians believed in the resurrection of the dead and had the concept of the Messiah before either the Jews or the Christians did?

This is a Catholic attitude, not a Christian one.

The two are not mutually exclusive. All Catholics are Christian, yet not all Christians are Catholic.

Ancient mother worship was grafted into Catholicism and the titles given to Mary were used for these mother goddesses long before the Catholic Church made her into something the scriptures never did. Google ancient mother worship and see for yourself.

Can you prove that these were pagan influences, rather than coincidental similarities?

We are never told to pray for the dead.....they are not in need of our prayers. We are told to pray for the living.

Then can you explain 2 Maccabees 12:38-46, a passage which would have been in the Bible of every Greek-speaking Jew, and was part of the Christian Scriptures of every Christian until after the Protestant Reformation?

If you knew about the origins of mother worship, you would see clearly where this title comes from. Trinities of gods are also ancient.
Babylon is the place where all these false religious ideas come from....not the Bible.

And there are also monotheistic gods in non-Abrahamic gods. Did the Jews rip the concept of having one God off the Hindus?

 

[JayJayDee]

Its hard to quote on this phone but...let me put this in my view and experience when i practiced catholicism.

What I find troublesome is that in order for a practice to be right it "literaly" has to be in the Bible. I dont believe that and many other catholics do not. I believe any devotional method that "does not contradict" the Bible and is bringing that person to Christ is not wrong.

Where do we learn about Christ and the teachings that he expounded? If not from scripture...where? If men were already corrupting Christianity even before the apostles died...imagine what they did when that restraining influence was removed! (2 Thess 2:3-12) The weeds of Jesus' parable were beginning to be sown at the end of the first century. (Matt 13:24-30, 36-43)

I will not accept the word of men over the word of God. Nothing taught as additional to scripture after the close of the Bible canon can be trusted IMO.

I used to pray the rosary.

People will do what they are raised to do. There is no Rosary in the Bible, no prayer beads of any description, no repetitious prayers that are recited by rote in the NT....but you will find them used by Buddhists. When Catholic missionaries first went into Asia, they mistook them for a Buddhist sect. Lots of similarities apparently. Unfortunately no similarity to the first Christians.

I believe that everyone is alive after our physical death. I pray to my grandma now which is no different than my praying to Mary then.

You will not find belief in an afterlife taught in any part of the Bible. The ancient Jews had no afterlife recorded in their scriptures and neither did the Christians. The only way to gain everlasting life was by means of a resurrection. All were to sleep in death until Christ returned to take the first group to heaven. These will reign with Christ as "kings and priests" and they are resurrected "first". (Rev 20:6)

You will only see death and resurrection in the scriptures as both the beliefs of the ancient Jews and also the first Christians.were the same on this subject. There is no immortal soul taught in the Bible.

When Jesus was told that his friend Lazarus was gravely ill, he delayed his departure for days. Please read his conversation with his apostles when he left to go to Bethany. (John 11) Where did Jesus say Lazarus was?

The problem is that protestants feel once a person is deceased they are dead. Hence no prayer to the dead. Catholics dont beleve in praying to the dead neither do I.

And yet that is what you just said. (quoted above) You said you 'pray to your grandmother and to Mary'?

Life after death is not just a Catholic belief. Protestants too believe in an immortal soul. Since this is not a Bible teaching, both must have adopted it from the Greeks, which is where they heard it.

The Rosary is not in scripture nor are cross key chains and devotional books.

Prayer and how to say it are taught by Jesus himself....no Rosary was mentioned. Since there were no images at all used in either Christian or Jewish worship, the "making" of any image of anything is contrary to God's law.

The problem is not the beads its Mary. Othrodox catholics do not pray to mary. They pray

“O Lord, Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy upon me, a sinner"

on the beads. There is no reference to Mary yet they use beads.

(Which makes me think of not lumping all Catholics in one bunch)

Or a lumping of those who do not follow the teachings of the Christ.

Catholics are only one part of Christendom.

Another agurement i agree with is saying "I love you" to your parent. Should we only say that once in a blue moon?

Does God hate that Christians want to say how much they love Him again and again? Does His ears twitch when He has to hear I love you oonne morre tiimme?

If my child repeated that phrase over and over, no matter how much I loved him I would still dong him on the head for boring me to death with something he couldn't be bothered putting in his own words. Conversation is only meaningful when it comes from the heart, not from meaningless repetition of the mind. How lazy!

Catholics pray Our Father on the Rosary. That is what Jesus taught us to pray. Mary seems to be obscuring their devotion to Christ.

That is not all they are obscuring. Jesus said to "pray this way" not "pray this prayer".

Like crucifixes there are no key chains, cross jewerly. Is it because its in a Church? Maybe its wooden? No Catholic worships and idolizes the crucifix.

You have been taught that, but we all know that it isn't true.

Catholics say they "venerate" their images, which can be expressed by bowing or praying before them or kissing them. It isn't hard to find pictures of people doing that. But what does it mean to venerate something or someone?

This is the Thesaurus definition....

• cherish
• esteem
• exalt
• hallow
• idolize
• admire

• adore
• deify
• honor
• love

• regard
• respect
• reverence
• treasure
• value
• worship

It's in there, just hiding.

Since the cross (im assuming you mean an item rather than the cross jesus was crucified on?) is not in the bible all protestant churches should take down their crosses?

If we follow the principles of the Ten Commandments, we would not "make" an image of "anything" to use in our worship. There were to be no religious images at all, not even a cross. Imagine if Jesus was hanged...would you have a replica of a gallows in your church with Jesus hanging from the rope?

The crucix is not the Eucharist. May Catholics have it in their Church just as protestants the cross. Neither worships eother itwm. Neither are in the bible. What exactly makea these items wrong given like pew they are not worshiped?

The Bible itself condemn the use of any image.....period.

Ex 20:4 are you saying Catholics are disobeying their own bible and catechism?

From what I can see, yes.

I do not see parades of idols through he streets or the kissing of images or the bowing before them except in pagan religions...can you find any Christian doing that in the Bible?

 

[JayJayDee]

Then explain God commanding the Israelites to make images of the Cherubim? (Exodus 22:15-22; 37:7-8) Explain God blessing Solomon's Temple filled with images of Cherubim, angels, animals and plants? (1 Kings 6:23-35; 7:18-50)

Actually the decorations in the Jewish temple were commanded by God. They were not venerated or hallowed or adored. They beautified the temple at God's command.
The ones used in Catholic worship were not. In fact Christians had no temples or an earthly priesthood for that matter. The priesthood promised to Christ's disciples was future and it was heavenly. (Rev 20:6)

Humans venerate these objects of worship in Catholic churches. You cannot deny that, surely?

 

[Deidre]

Hi JayJayDee...

I'm a former Catholic, and the RCC doesn't teach Sola Scriptura, but rather a combination of the Bible and oral tradition...and the Rosary is an optional prayer. It is asking Mary for her prayers, not worshipping her. It may seem like idolatry at first blush (or after many blushes lol) but...it's truly not.

The Bible says a lot of things, of which many Christians don't follow, but I know that many non-Catholics don't believe any traditions or practices should be 'added on' to the Bible. The RCC teaches that as long as the teaching doesn't detract from the Bible, or lessen the overall message in any way...then, it is not a harmful tradition.

I imagine Saint Feast Days and 'holy days of obligation,' might not sit well with you, too.

 

[JayJayDee]

If you knew about the origins of mother worship, you would see clearly where this title comes from. Trinities of gods are also ancient.
Babylon is the place where all these false religious ideas come from....not the Bible.

Ancient mother worship....pick Mary.

Sun worship is indicated by the halo.

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Pagan trinities.

pics mother worship - Google Search

 

[Kolibri]

Hi JayJayDee...

I'm a former Catholic, and the RCC doesn't teach Sola Scriptura, but rather a combination of the Bible and oral tradition...and the Rosary is an optional prayer. It is asking Mary for her prayers, not worshipping her. It may seem like idolatry at first blush (or after many blushes lol) but...it's truly not.

The Bible says a lot of things, of which many Christians don't follow, but I know that many non-Catholics don't believe any traditions or practices should be 'added on' to the Bible. The RCC teaches that as long as the teaching doesn't detract from the Bible, or lessen the overall message in any way...then, it is not a harmful tradition.

I imagine Saint Feast Days and 'holy days of obligation,' might not sit well with you, too.

This issue is the Bible is dropped when tradition counters it, not the other way around. This is not a harmonization with scripture. This is a superseding of scripture.

[Traditions are not wrong in themselves. But, like the worship of the true God under the Jewish arrangement was superseded by oral traditions, so too have some of the churches of Christendom done the same.]

Mark 7:3-8; 1 Cor 11:2; 2 Thess 2:15

 

[JayJayDee]

The Bible says a lot of things, of which many Christians don't follow, but I know that many non-Catholics don't believe any traditions or practices should be 'added on' to the Bible. The RCC teaches that as long as the teaching doesn't detract from the Bible, or lessen the overall message in any way...then, it is not a harmful tradition.

If the Bible is the word of God then nothing from outside of it is. This is why I have an abhorrence of human tradition, just as Jesus did. He said that the traditions of the Pharisees invalidated God's word. I believe that he feels the same way about human tradition that is out of harmony with God's word.

I imagine Saint Feast Days and 'holy days of obligation,' might not sit well with you, too.

All festivals and special days were prescribed by God for his people in great detail. He did not allow them to plan or orchestrate their own festivals after the golden calf fiasco.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Okay done

You wrote a lot. Let me say first I wasnt raised Catholic. I converted four years ago and stopped practicing formally about a year and a half. I understand why many protestants feel about the church given i see it objectively too. I also see were they misinterpret either by lack of experience or knowlege from a catholic perspective rather than history. Ill put my comments in parenthesis.

You said:

I will not accept the word of men over the word of God. Nothing taught as additional to scripture after the close of the Bible canon can be trusted IMO.

(Catholicsm is both on sacred tradition and sacred scripture. I cant say they added just a lot if things they have are based on the Bible. Praying to statues and using beads are two of the silliest objections against the Church.)

People will do what they are raised to do. There is no Rosary in the Bible, no prayer beads of any description, no repetitious prayers that are recited by rote in the NT....

(Since I was not raised to pray the rosary I have a different and considently agreeing take on the Rosary as Catholics do. When you take deovotional methods away youeave any christian not just catholic with a sense of emptiness. They dont depend o the rosary. They ae just beads that help in prayer. I can take a teddy bear and do the same. Prayers go to God, not the beads and not the bear. God does not want christians to "idolize" these items. Catholicm does not teach that.)

(Alsoo i didnt know about the asian catholic mix. Catholics sre not using the same beads and prayers as buddhist. The tool is the same the method differs.)

You will not find belief in an afterlife taught in any part of the Bible. The ancient Jews had no afterlife recorded in their scriptures and neither did the Christians. The only way to gain everlasting life was by means of a resurrection. All were to sleep in death until Christ returned to take the first group to heaven. These will reign with Christ as "kings and priests" and they are resurrected "first". (Rev 20:6)

(Gosh that takes out all christians who believe in heaven and hell.)

You will only see death and resurrection in the scriptures as both the beliefs of the ancient Jews and also the first Christians.were the same on this subject. There is no immortal soul taught in the Bible.

When Jesus was told that his friend Lazarus was gravely ill, he delayed his departure for days. Please read his conversation with his apostles when he left to go to Bethany. (John 11) Where did Jesus say Lazarus was?


And yet that is what you just said. (quoted above) You said you 'pray to your grandmother and to Mary'?

(Yes i pray to my grandmothers now. I prayed to Mary because I was rased by my Mother and I knew more about Christ through her. That was in the past.)

Life after death is not just a Catholic belief. Protestants too believe in an immortal soul. Since this is not a Bible teaching, both must have adopted it from the Greeks, which is where they heard it.
(That would mean Jesus had no spirit. Since I and catholics believe we have souls/spirits they--not me--believe that thy will be resurrected like Jesus. Without a soul how is one resurrected?)

Prayer and how to say it are taught by Jesus himself....no Rosary was mentioned. Since there were no images at all used in either Christian or Jewish worship, the "making" of any image of anything is contrary to God's law.

(It was not used that does not make it contradictory. God said so not make imagies of me and do not worship images as id they are me. Catholics do not do that. If they did theyd be disobeying their own bibkr and catechism)

Or a lumping of those who do not follow the teachings of the Christ.

Catholics are only one part of Christendom.


If my child repeated that phrase over and over, no matter how much I loved him I would still dong him on the head for boring me to death with something he couldn't be bothered putting in his own words. Conversation is only meaningful when it comes from the heart, not from meaningless repetition of the mind. How lazy!

(You are speaking for God here. Also Catholics are putting meaningfulness in their prayers. You are judging a catholic persons devotion based on beads...im speechless)

That is not all they are obscuring. Jesus said to "pray this way" not "pray this prayer".

(My mistake)


You have been taught that, but we all know that it isn't true.

(I was not taught that. A lot of catholic devotion is common sense. Scripture and catechism backs it up well.)

Catholics say they "venerate" their images, which can be expressed by bowing or praying before them or kissing them. It isn't hard to find pictures of people doing that. But what does it mean to venerate something or someone?

(Venerate...I put someone at high esteem like my family, friends, It is humble to venerate someone you dont know. Its not worship)

This is the Thesaurus definition.... (of course you know all of these are dont have to fit together to be considered veneration?)

• cherish
• esteem
• exalt
• hallow
• idolize (I dont idolize my familyso maybe veneration is the wrong word...they do not worship mary)
• admire

• adoreiz
• deify (Thats depend on context. No catholic deifies anyone. )
• honor
• love

• regard
• respect
• reverence (thats a better word!!!)
• treasure
• value
• worship

It's in there, just hiding.


If we follow the principles of the Ten Commandments, we would not "make" an image of "anything" to use in our worship. There were to be no religious images at all, not even a cross. Imagine if Jesus was hanged...would you have a replica of a gallows in your church with Jesus hanging from the rope?


The Bible itself condemn the use of any image.....period.

(So youre saying Catholics are disobeying their own bible and catechism?)


From what I can see, yes.

I do not see parades of idols through he streets or the kissing of images or the bowing before them except in pagan religions...can you find any Christian doing that in the Bible?

(Again you are saying everything a christian does is wrong unless it is "literally" in the Bible. Catholics do not believe in sola scriptura.

I never bow bow in worship to anyone. To me bowing in many cultures is respect. The further one bows the higher the rest..normally for elders and religous seniors.

All of these outside things make you think Catholics are idolizing. Its wrong. I dont know another way to say it.



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