Yes. They made God's son into a Greek god. So that which they made is as far away from the Jews as you can get. But that which was born is Israel personified.
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G-D's Son Is Israel- Not Jesus
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CMike
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Here is an explanation of the name Jacob (Yakov)
Jacob (Yaakov, Ya'akov) | Boy | Hebrew Names | Learn Hebrew with eTeacher
Hebrew
יַעֲקֹב (יעקוב)
Gender
Boy
Historical Period
The Biblical Era
Meaning
The name "Jacob" seems to be derived from the verb "לעקוב" (la'akov, "follow"). The Bible explains that the name "יעקׁב" (Jacob) comes from the word עֲקֵב (akev, "heel"). According to the Biblical story, when Jacob was born right after his twin brother, Esau, he was holding his heel in his hand.
History
The name of the third of the "three fathers" of the Jewish people. He was also called "Israel". His wives were Leah and Rachel.
Citation
"And after that came his brother out, and his hand took hold on Esau's heel, and his name was called Jacob, and Isaac was threescore years old when she bare them." Genesis 25, 26
Jacob (Yaakov, Ya'akov) | Boy | Hebrew Names | Learn Hebrew with eTeacher
Hebrew
יַעֲקֹב (יעקוב)
Gender
Boy
Historical Period
The Biblical Era
Meaning
The name "Jacob" seems to be derived from the verb "לעקוב" (la'akov, "follow"). The Bible explains that the name "יעקׁב" (Jacob) comes from the word עֲקֵב (akev, "heel"). According to the Biblical story, when Jacob was born right after his twin brother, Esau, he was holding his heel in his hand.
History
The name of the third of the "three fathers" of the Jewish people. He was also called "Israel". His wives were Leah and Rachel.
Citation
"And after that came his brother out, and his hand took hold on Esau's heel, and his name was called Jacob, and Isaac was threescore years old when she bare them." Genesis 25, 26
CMike
Well-Known Member
What do you base that on?
JayJayDee
Avid JW Bible Student
Or vice versa.
Israel's long and unfaithful history should make you suspicious. I believe that Jesus was correct when he said... “Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the killer of the prophets and stoner of those sent to her —how often I wanted to gather your children together the way a hen gathers her chicks under her wings! But you did not want it. 38 Look! Your house is abandoned to you. 39 For I say to you, you will by no means see me from now until you say, ‘Blessed is the one who comes in Jehovah’s name!’”
With words like that, any wonder the Pharisees hated him. He loved the Jewish people, but loathed their arrogant leaders.
Can you tell me why Jews are still waiting for their Messiah? How many more thousands of years do you believe it will take for him to appear and set up his kingdom in Israel?
What will you do if Messiah already came two thousand years ago and his own people mistook him for a fraud, all because the real frauds did what their forefather had always done down through history? Rather than be corrected, they killed the prophets God sent to them. Why would their attitude towards Jesus be any different?
It is a dangerous thing to rely on one's fleshly lineage when one's conduct has been habitually out of harmony with God's will all through history and fully documented in the scriptures.
God chose Israel as his people because of the faith of Abraham....not because of the conduct of Abraham's faithless children. God upheld his part of the covenant, but Israel never did. When his promise to produce the Messiah was fulfilled, He was no longer under obligation to Abraham's descendants. They broke the covenant...God didn't.
Ingledsva
HEATHEN ALASKAN
You folks are misreading these verses.
Neither King David's or Jesus' mother had any special mystical seed/being plopped in their wombs.
The meaning is chosen/elect/anointed.
Psa 2:2 The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take counsel together, against the LORD, and against his anointed, saying,
Psa 2:3 Let us break their bands asunder, and cast away their cords from us.
Psa 2:4 He that sitteth in the heavens shall laugh: the Lord shall have them in derision.
Psa 2:5 Then shall he speak unto them in his wrath, and vex them in his sore displeasure.
Psa 2:6 Yet have I set my king upon my holy hill of Zion.
Psa 2:7 I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.
These elect are supposed to be placed in position by God. These elect are Sons of God.
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Bible study.
Luke 1:28 The angel went to her and said, “Greetings, you who are highly favored! The Lord is with you.”...30But the angel said to her, "Do not be afraid, Mary; you have found favor with God"
How? How did she found favor with God?
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RedDragon94
Love everyone, meditate often
Jesus says that he has brothers and sisters (Luke 8:21), but in Colossians 1:18 it says that he was the firstborn among the dead... Did Jesus have to undergo the process of election?
Harmonious
Well-Known Member
Actually, he's not.
Jews don't believe that God is, was, or ever will be physical. Therefore, the concept of a physical son of God that is anything other than metaphorical is not a Jewish concept.
psychoslice
Veteran Member
I see all as God's son, or daughter, Israel see's themselves as God's son, just as any group or individuals do, anything other than this is childish.
Harmonious
Well-Known Member
Harmonious
Well-Known Member
The Greek god part is simple enough. The other part... That's a good question.
How nice! And very rare.
OK. I am not surprised.
Is evolution real? Is evolution of the mind and spirit something or nothing?
CMike
Well-Known Member
Or vice versa.
Israel's long and unfaithful history should make you suspicious. I believe that Jesus was correct when he said... “Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the killer of the prophets and stoner of those sent to her —how often I wanted to gather your children together the way a hen gathers her chicks under her wings! But you did not want it. 38 Look! Your house is abandoned to you. 39 For I say to you, you will by no means see me from now until you say, ‘Blessed is the one who comes in Jehovah’s name!’”
With words like that, any wonder the Pharisees hated him. He loved the Jewish people, but loathed their arrogant leaders.
Can you tell me why Jews are still waiting for their Messiah? How many more thousands of years do you believe it will take for him to appear and set up his kingdom in Israel?
What will you do if Messiah already came two thousand years ago and his own people mistook him for a fraud, all because the real frauds did what their forefather had always done down through history? Rather than be corrected, they killed the prophets God sent to them. Why would their attitude towards Jesus be any different?
It is a dangerous thing to rely on one's fleshly lineage when one's conduct has been habitually out of harmony with God's will all through history and fully documented in the scriptures.
God chose Israel as his people because of the faith of Abraham....not because of the conduct of Abraham's faithless children. God upheld his part of the covenant, but Israel never did. When his promise to produce the Messiah was fulfilled, He was no longer under obligation to Abraham's descendants. They broke the covenant...God didn't.
I don't know about hated him. Personally I don't care about jesus' opinion of the Jews.
Anyone whom claims to be divine, change commandments, expect to be worshipped in any manner is extremely far away from the G-D of the Jews. Not only that he has committed a grave sin.
And would fall under Deuterenomy 13- verse 2 to the end of the chapter.
Deuteronomy - Chapter 13 (Parshah Re'eh) - Tanakh Online - Torah - Bible
Jews will know when the Messiah comes, when he has fulfilled the messianic prophets in Michah 4:3 and Ezekiel 37. Besides that the Messiah is not that important. It is G-D who is important. That's why Jews are still awaiting the Messiah. He hasn't come yet.
The Messiah will only be a mortal man.
We rely on "fleshly" lineage because that's what G-D told us to do.
Which prophets were killed?
You may also be interested in the passages below.
Dt. 29(28): "Concerns us and our descendents forever, that we may carry out all the words of this Law."
Joshua 1(5): "I will not leave or forsake you…(7) observe the entire Law … do not swerve from it."
Psalms 19(8): "The Law of the Lord is perfect… (10) the ordinances of the Lord are true; all of them are just."
Ps. 119(160): "permanence is Your words chief trait, each of Your just ordinances iseverlasting."
Isaiah 42(21): "pleased the Lord in His justice to make His Law great and glorious."
Baruch 4(1): "the Law enduresforever."
Genesis 17:[7] And I will establish my covenant between me and you and your descendants after you throughout their generations for an everlasting covenant, to be God to you and to your descendants after you.
Genesis 17:[13] both he that is born in your house and he that is bought with your money, shall be circumcised. So shall my covenant be in your flesh an everlasting covenant.
Deuteronomy 7:[9] Know therefore that the LORD your God is God, the faithful God who keeps covenant and steadfast love with those who love him and keep his commandments, to a thousand generations,
Deuteronomy 29:[12] that you may enter into the sworn covenant of the LORD your God, which the LORD your God makes with you this day;
[13] that he may establish you this day as his people, and that he may be your God, as he promised you, and as he swore to your fathers, to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob.
Psalms 89:[34] I will not violate my covenant,
or alter the word that went forth from my lips.
Psalms 105:[8] He is mindful of his covenant for ever,
of the word that he commanded, for a thousand generations,
Isaiah 44:[21] Remember these things, O Jacob,
and Israel, for you are my servant;
I formed you, you are my servant;
O Israel, you will not be forgotten by me.
Isaiah 45:[17] But Israel is saved by the LORD
with everlasting salvation;
you shall not be put to shame or confounded
to all eternity.
Isaiah 52:[1] Awake, awake,
put on your strength, O Zion;
put on your beautiful garments,
O Jerusalem, the holy city;
for there shall no more come into you
the uncircumcised and the unclean.
Isaiah 59:[20] "And he will come to Zion as Redeemer,
to those in Jacob who turn from transgression, says the LORD.
[21] "And as for me, this is my covenant with them, says the LORD: my spirit which is upon you, and my words which I have put in your mouth, shall not depart out of your mouth, or out of the mouth of your children, or out of the mouth of your children's children, says the LORD, from this time forth and for evermore."
Isaiah 66:[22] "For as the new heavens and the new earth
which I will make
shall remain before me, says the LORD;
so shall your descendants and your name remain.
CMike
Well-Known Member
Don't know. How?
Harmonious
Well-Known Member
As many as it takes. Hopefully, it will be sooner rather than later.
Which one would that be?
You know, the real sign that the Messiah will be here is world peace, and all the Jews would life in Israel. There are more, but those are two that would be hard to miss.
Considering that I'm typing this from my home in New York, that's one down. Two... Have you even looked at a newspaper, turned on the radio or television, or seen an Internet news feed? We don't have anything LIKE world peace.
Clearly, the Messiah hasn't been here.
You know... That is a ridiculously uncharitable view to have of the Jews. It wasn't as widespread as you would like to think.
And as I said elsewhere, I'm not sure that the actual "trial" that led to the crucifixion actually happened. There are too many things that ALL the Jews in the Temple would have had to miss or ignore that NO ONE would ignore in order for it to have happened.
Dangerous though it may be, it's all we have. You know, for those of us who still cling to those laws...
No one is perfect, but not every last Jew is so completely out of harmony with what God wants us to do, either.
God chose Israel as his people because of the faith of Abraham....not because of the conduct of Abraham's faithless children. God upheld his part of the covenant, but Israel never did. When his promise to produce the Messiah was fulfilled, He was no longer under obligation to Abraham's descendants. They broke the covenant...God didn't.
Leviticus 26:44 says otherwise.
But despite all this, while they are in the land of their enemies, I will not despise them nor will I reject them to annihilate them, thereby breaking My covenant that is with them, for I am the Lord their God.
This means that no matter how badly the Jews screw up, God won't let the covenant be abrogated.
And, for the record, even when, on the balance, the Jews have screwed up, there have always been Jewish faithful. There might not have been enough to stop God from punishing the Jews, when such things have happened, but we've never been COMPLETELY faithless.
Harmonious
Well-Known Member
Cool.How nice! And very rare.
I don't know. I DO know of the evolution on a micro scale, or we wouldn't need to update our flu shots.
I don't know what this means.
roger1440
I do stuff
You are absolutely right. Unless the Gospel writers were complete idiots, there must be an alternative meaning of who or what is Jesus. The only possible explanation would be Jesus is a metaphor for Israel. The virgin birth represents the union between God and Israel. The offspring from this union is the holiness of Israel. When the Gospels are read in this manner, most of its themes fall nice and snug within Jewish theology.
Does the mind evolve? Is spirit real and does it evolve?
I think that she was physically, mentally and spiritually submissive to God's word through Israel, the nation.
CMike
Well-Known Member
The problem is that no where is that in the Torah. The Torah goes into very great detail of what G-D expects from the Jewish people.