Can a gay person be a "good" Christian?

[Yes]

A woman's body isn't "made" for anything. And it is OK to be a lesbian, just as it is OK to be a gay male. And while the bible says some horrific things about gay men, it says nothing about lesbians. End of story.

You are only fooling yourself.

 

[Blackmarch]

Can a gay person be a "good" Christian?

yes. just like someone who's murdered, stolen, commited adultery, or whatever other thing, previously in their life that is considered a negative and turns their life around.

 

[Yes]

I know, it demonstrates how sickening the people who wrote that story were.

You were trying to change that story, but since you realize now that you cannot, you then resort to insults.

The story of Lot offering his virgin daughters proves that homosexual sex is worse.

 

[sojourner]

That is delusion.

It is written... but I tell you...

 

[sojourner]

You are speaking untruths.

In other words, you're calling me a liar. Splendid.

 

[sojourner]

Just listen to yourself. Do you have sex with everyone that you love? No, of course not, for you do not have sex with you parents, and your children, and your friends, and your neighbors. We do NOT have sex with people just because we love them.

"Love" is a word with many layers of meaning. I DO, in fact, have sex with those with whom I share eros. I do not have sex with those with whom I share agape or filios. What homosexual people can share normally with each other is eros, and it is normal and natural and OK with God for people to express themselves sexually in that case.

 

[sojourner]

It is beyond ignorant to think that we have to, out of hospitality, give our daughters for men of the city to have sex.

Of course it is. But then, we don't live in the same time, in the same culture, within the same sociological framework, or under the same laws as Lot and the citizens of Sodom. Under those conditions, it was incumbent upon the host to protect house guests. Under those conditions, it was less wrong for a woman to suffer shame (for women embodied shame in that culture) than for a man to suffer shame (like a woman), for men embodied honor. The sin of Sodom was that the men acted shamefully by not respecting the rules of hospitality.


It is beyond ignorant to think otherwise.

 

[sojourner]

The scripture proves that sex between two men is worse than sex between a man and a woman.

Yes, the story does, indeed, imply that, but not for the reasons you think. It implies that, because rape between a man and a woman is shameful, but since a woman is involved (sorry, ladies!), a shameful act is ... allowable. Because rape between two men is also shameful, and men embody honor -- not shame, a shameful act is intolerable. It has everything to do with culture and social mores, and absolutely nothing to do with homosexual orientation.

 

[sojourner]

Just believe what is plainly written.

It's not so "plain" as you think.

 

[sojourner]

The Bible is clear on what it teaches, and if you do not obey what the New Testament says, which means New Covenant, then you are not in the New Covenant. In a Covenant, there is a condition and an agreement that what is stated for the Covenant must be followed.

Jesus set the covenant. Jesus said nothing against homosexuality.

 

[Yes]

"Love" is a word with many layers of meaning. I DO, in fact, have sex with those with whom I share eros. I do not have sex with those with whom I share agape or filios. What homosexual people can share normally with each other is eros, and it is normal and natural and OK with God for people to express themselves sexually in that case.

Speak English.

 

[sojourner]

Speak English.

Learn the languages of the bible.

 

[Yes]

Of course it is. But then, we don't live in the same time, in the same culture, within the same sociological framework, or under the same laws as Lot and the citizens of Sodom. Under those conditions, it was incumbent upon the host to protect house guests. Under those conditions, it was less wrong for a woman to suffer shame (for women embodied shame in that culture) than for a man to suffer shame (like a woman), for men embodied honor. The sin of Sodom was that the men acted shamefully by not respecting the rules of hospitality.


It is beyond ignorant to think otherwise.

You sure are mixed up. Just listen to what you said. You changed it from protect to hospitality, from the people of the city not being hospitable to Lot having to be hospitable.

You cannot cloud over the truth. The people in the city were shameful, doing what they ought not do. They were sexually immoral and perverse.

Lot offered his daughters because it is worse for men to have sex with men than for men to have sex with women.

 

[Yes]

Learn the languages of the bible.

You have learned to use a Greek word once in a while to try to cover up the truth.
We are English speakers. We English speakers can properly convey our feelings and actions in our own language.

 

[Yes]

Jesus set the covenant. Jesus said nothing against homosexuality.

Jesus explained that sex is only between a married man and woman.

 

[Yes]

It's not so "plain" as you think.

You do not think it is plain because you do not obey.

 

[Yes]

Yes, the story does, indeed, imply that, but not for the reasons you think. It implies that, because rape between a man and a woman is shameful, but since a woman is involved (sorry, ladies!), a shameful act is ... allowable. Because rape between two men is also shameful, and men embody honor -- not shame, a shameful act is intolerable. It has everything to do with culture and social mores, and absolutely nothing to do with homosexual orientation.

You admitted it here yourself. The act of sex between two men is worse than sex between a man and a woman.

 

[Yes]

Someone is reporting my posts in this thread. Someone does not want me to have the freedom to speak my beliefs about the Holy Bible. We all have to sit here and listen to what those who hate God say, but I who love God cannot tell you what I want to say.

 

[Yes]

Learn the languages of the bible.

Is this reportable? I am told to learn another language.

 

[Yes]

Jesus set the covenant. Jesus said nothing against homosexuality.

Is this reportable? Someone is lying about Jesus, but I cannot say they are lying.