Watchtower Governing Body: Are They The Exclusive Channel For God??

[kjw47]

Luke 10:16 “Whoever listens to you listens to me. And whoever disregards you disregards me also. Moreover, whoever disregards me disregards also him who sent me.”

They were annointed the night before Jesus died. At the time Jesus said this, regarding disciples and apostles, they weren't holy spirit annointed.

So, what is your point?

Jesus appointed his FDS( faithful and discreet slave, here in these last days-to give food( spiritual) at the proper time( progressive) this backs it up as well-Proverbs 4:18)-it means them as well--his real anointed teachers have done this-Daniel 12:4) without that its impossible for any to do this-John 4:22-24=Jehovah. truth had to come back to the earth, here in these last days.

 

[kjw47]

The doctrine of the Jehovah's Witnesses has taken out mercy and replaced it with "God's undeserved kindness". You can't talk to JWs about mercy as they do not believe in it.

4 However, when the kindness of our Savior, God,+ and his love for mankind were manifested5 (not because of any righteous works we had done,+ but because of his own mercy),+ he saved us by means of the bath that brought us to life+ and by making us new by holy spirit.+6 He poured this spirit out richly* on us through Jesus Christ our Savior,+7 so that after being declared righteous through the undeserved kindness of that one,+ we might become heirs+ according to a hope of everlasting life.+

there is no difference in Mercy or undeserved kindness. nit picking. Words have many meanings the same.

Like the greek word --Proskenau--- 4 different meanings from greek to English
1) worship to God
2) obeisance to a king--plus 2 others

Jesus = the Messiah--Gods appointed king--made lower than the angels as a mortal( Gods word is clear--angels don't get worship--neither does any lower than them)

The correct use of Proskenau for the messiah is--bow in obeisance to our king---
trinity translation error to fit council teachings placing worship instead of obesiance to fit the false trinity teaching.
There was no trinity taught in the first council it came in later.

 

[savagewind]

And if that is the conclusion you have reached, then so be it.
You are the only one who needs convincing. We will all be judged on what we accept as truth. No one is forced to believe anything. Our hearts are talking to God by what we judge to be true for ourselves. No one can complain to God if they got it wrong. We choose.

I find it very hard to believe you would not complain if you found out you got it wrong if you got it wrong . You have a lot invested. Years of study, hours of field service and I think you even invested your children in it. Can you honestly say "I wouldn't complain"?

 

[savagewind]

I think the question "would you complain if you got what you say we will get" puts you between a rock and a hard place. You can't humanly say "no I wouldn't complain" and scripturally you can't say "I know the JWs won't get what we say you'll get". Why would I say it isn't in harmony with scripture to say "we know we will be saved"? There are many reasons. One reason is it would be the same as saying "we are without sin" and you know that is wrong. Also it would mean the JWs are predestined but JWs say that isn't true. It would mean you believe you will endure to the end doing what you are doing but knowing what the future will be is spiritistic practice which you can die for. You can say believing it will make it happen but Jesus says you can't make one hair black or grey. So?
Would you complain if Armageddon hit you and your children the same way you say it will hit us?
Or
Is it even possible you might get the same judgement as you say God has stored up for us?

I know the answer. "If we stay with the governing body doing as they say we won't die at Armageddon". Is that your answer? What if you do stay with them, doing all they command I mean all God commands and Armageddon hits you hard and you die? Actually you wouldn't know. So....nevermind.

 

[savagewind]

The governing body of Jehovah's Witnesses have tried covering all their bases. Everyone knows the great tribulation won't come with magic so some JWs are bound to die. The will die knowing they will be resurrected to a paradise Earth. If they are not, they won't know. If someone they love and honor as faithful dies, same thing. The governing body makes it clear not all JWs are good Christian people so in the event paradise happens and someone who was respected as a good JWs isn't there, they have taught us to believe they had some secret sin against Jehovah, or the gb or something. If it seems Armageddon just isn't coming they say all the more people will be saved!
One base though isn't covered. Do you want to know it? LOL. No? OK I might tell you anyway.

 

[savagewind]

So? What is your answer? What if the governing body ran out of money and told the 7 million witnesses they were closing up shop. Would you complain?

 

[savagewind]

You would give them more money. OK, What if there wasn't enough witnesses responding to their threat? What then? Please answer the question. You said "no one can complain to God if they get it wrong". My question is "You too?" Can you complain to God if you get it wrong?

The question is does "no one" include you too?

If the JWs prove wrong can they complain?

 

[katiemygirl]

And if that is the conclusion you have reached, then so be it.
You are the only one who needs convincing. We will all be judged on what we accept as truth. No one is forced to believe anything. Our hearts are talking to God by what we judge to be true for ourselves. No one can complain to God if they got it wrong. We choose.


That would be nice....but its never going to happen. (Matt 7:13, 14; 21-23) Sorry to rain on your parade.

I can still pray. You never know.

 

[katiemygirl]

I am not 'born again,' or had a 'circumcision of the heart' thus loosing my desire to inherit the earth. No, I do not have a token 'seal' to act as title deed to a heavenly reward if I remain faithful to the end.
I've met quite a few that do and consider 2 of them close friends today. I will miss them when they receive their reward. But I have no desire to join them.

I am content to inherit earthly things. This will be my home. For now I feel like Abraham. living in the land that God promised to give as an inheritance to all those not called to work in administering justice and mercy along with the Christ as the governmental part of God's Kingdom.

I long to have a part in learning how to maintain a perfect balance with Earth and my neighbors and to get to play with wild cats and crocodiles without worrying they will do harm. And I am also particularly vain about wanting my youthful looks back.

No, I am not anointed as one of Christ's brothers. I look forward to him being my Eternal Father instead.

Thank you for your honesty Kolibri. You are the only one to answer my question so far.

 

[Kolibri]

Thank you for your honesty Kolibri. You are the only one to answer my question so far.

actually Pegg and JayJayDee beat me too it.

 

[katiemygirl]

actually Pegg and JayJayDee beat me too it.

I have not seen either of their posts, but I will look. Thank you.

 

[katiemygirl]

not me.

Thank you Pegg. I didn't see your reply until this a.m.

 

[katiemygirl]

Do you mean the absolutely confused to the core HS that has created 33,000 different disunified mass of confusion religions claiming to serve Jesus?1Cor 1:10) an impossibility for more than a single religion to exist. ot a single religion--israelites. same today--tomorrow and always.

I assume you are including the Watchtower organization along with the rest of the 33,000 different disunified mass of confusion religions, as you put it.

By the way, christians are not to judge the world, but I guess JW's are the exception to the rule eh?

 

[katiemygirl]

Jesus appointed his FDS( faithful and discreet slave, here in these last days-to give food( spiritual) at the proper time( progressive) this backs it up as well-Proverbs 4:18)-it means them as well--his real anointed teachers have done this-Daniel 12:4) without that its impossible for any to do this-John 4:22-24=Jehovah. truth had to come back to the earth, here in these last days.

Matthew 24:45 doesn't say "spiritual" food. It simply says food. You have inserted a word that is not there.

Matthew 24:45-51 doesn't say the Watchtower will spiritually feed the entire world. Matthew along with every other Bible writer NEVER heard of Watchtower.

 

[savagewind]

Sad. She says "we are talking to God by what our hearts say". This is not right. It is written The Lord God will write on our hearts,. That is God talking to us.

Hebrews 10: 15 Moreover, the holy spirit also bears witness to us, for after it has said:16 “‘This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days,’ says Jehovah.*‘I will put my laws in their hearts, and in their minds I will write them.’”+17 Then it says: “And I will no longer call their sins and their lawless deeds to mind.”+18 Now where there is forgiveness of these, there is no longer an offering for sin.

It is written The Heavenly Father say "this is my son! Listen! To him"

The Jehovah's Witnesses teach it is God listening to them. They teach that Jehovah chooses the people who think the right things to save them but that means God should be listening to THEM. Jesus' illustration of the sheep saved says nothing about what we tell Jesus' brothers. It is what we do. A kind man not of Israel saved a prophet out of a well. He was saved.

One person particularly on forum is preaching that knowledge saves. It is written knowledge puffs up. So which should I believe?

 

[savagewind]

If, like they say, it is what a person thinks that determines the salvation Of God, it means Jehovah does not listen to God's own word which says;

James 4: 13 Come, now, you who say: “Today or tomorrow we will travel to this city and will spend a year there, and we will do business and make some profit,”+14 whereas you do not know what your life will be like tomorrow.+ For you are a mist that appears for a little while and then disappears.+15 Instead, you should say: “If Jehovah* wills,+ we will live and do this or that.”16 But now you take pride in your arrogant boasting. All such boasting is wicked.

Like it matters I shall go off topic and say they make this scripture about money. The Spirit says it is about preaching. In another place it is said "we do not peddle the word" and here it says "do business and make profit" it means "go about (looking for souls) gaining (souls).

But it is not God telling it like that. It is THEM. See? "Now you who say......"

 

[savagewind]

So I can ask the Jehovah's Witnesses on line why is James 4:13 about money? And their non-answer (because they can't talk about it) will be it is what the gb say it means. So they will continue to believe it is about money and they will continue to teach their children it is about money until the gb hear it isn't about money and finally change it.

Someone might say it was that way for 2000 years and has been good enough for The Pope, it must be good enough for us too!

 

[kjw47]

I assume you are including the Watchtower organization along with the rest of the 33,000 different disunified mass of confusion religions, as you put it.

By the way, christians are not to judge the world, but I guess JW's are the exception to the rule eh?

Actually Gods word has already judged--I just share them to open eyes.
psalm 19:9--psalm 29:9-psalm 119:108

 

[kjw47]

Matthew 24:45 doesn't say "spiritual" food. It simply says food. You have inserted a word that is not there.

Matthew 24:45-51 doesn't say the Watchtower will spiritually feed the entire world. Matthew along with every other Bible writer NEVER heard of Watchtower.

Mortal darkess can be amazing--2Cor 4:4--- what kind of food do Jesus teachers serve--bacon and eggs==please.

 

[katiemygirl]

Actually Gods word has already judged--I just share them to open eyes.
psalm 19:9--psalm 29:9-psalm 119:108

Yes I understand that God's word judges. But you are allowing YOUR interpretation of the word to judge others. Let God judge whether people are saved or lost.