Another Abrahamic bashing OP. You are not really interested in knowing an age. But I'll give you the answer anyway,,,,it's 15.5 years. After that it's curtains dude...I guarantee it!
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When Does God Start To Burn People In Hell
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budha3
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I've mentioned to many people that the gospel has never been preached. If you read some of these post 0n this particular discussion about hell fire you should begin to see what I mean. It is not their fault, it's just where they are in their lives at this particular time. Some are on the right track, but there is a great of misunderstanding concerning Hell. Some times I may sound hubris in some of my post, so forgive me. I do no know no other way to express myself, except to say what I've experienced, and what I've learned from God
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I generally agree with this poster on his assertions except I would not suggest an age. I leave it at the age of accountability.
Be that as it may, I submit that no one goes to hell except those who truly deserve it and essentially ask for it. God is just and would never send anyone to the nether world out of pure ignorance. I just do not understand why anyone would take such risks out of laziness or pride. Eternal life is real and something to be forever grateful for.
I guess I was in a mood to use sarcasm to criticize the mocking question of the OP.
But let's respectfully get to the real point. I believe salvation is attained through right mindedness and moral living and not 'beliefs' about God, Jesus, etc.. Didn't even the Pope recently say that even atheists can get to heaven. I believe in eventual salvation/liberation for all (reincarnation).
Your statement "I just do not understand why anyone would take such risks out of laziness or pride." is not clear to me. Are you talking about faith or mindfulness/behavior? I'm getting the impression that you believe eternal life is based on faith beliefs which I believe is a view wrought with problems.
Yes, well, your age demarcation did throw me there for a minute -- : )
George, you and I seem to agree far more than we disagree. And where we do differ is based more on afterlife speculation than it is on the value of goodness and morality. I do hope you are found correct that eventually all souls are redeemed, I mean, who would not want that?
Anyway, what I meant by the line of mine you quoted was this - - - For those who have been exposed to theological claims and truths and, especially, strong reasoning for it --- to then fight it all off with all kinds of wild alternate ideas or implausible arguments strikes me as an element of self-pride. Either the denier is so proud of who he is that he thinks he can outwit the humble sheep. Or he does not want to admit to obvious manifestations of God’s existence and laws, which would then cause him to have to sacrifice his “good life” and become obedient and accountable for his actions or lack of actions. Finally, one can become just complacent and lazy and stick to the “easy stuff” and good life and not worry about it all, let the chips fall as they may. After all, no God would punish us all would he?
Something like that. : )
I see your point better now. We are both against selfish and lazy living which could easily come to one with no afterlife beliefs. They are in your beliefs 'risking their eternal lives' and in my beliefs 'wasting a life' where spiritual progress could have been made. The risks are much higher in your belief system.
Everyone is born atheist.
Glaurung
Denizen of Niflheim
An infant is an atheist as far as the household pet is one, it's a non-point that establishes nothing but a dishonest play on words.
Are you saying everyone is born a christian? But then choose some other religious belief or none?
Etritonakin
Well-Known Member
I actually did not say atheists went to hell. Some might have their part in the lake of fire -some may not -but this might depend on what you mean by "atheist" -and what other things might be true of them.
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Glaurung
Denizen of Niflheim
I'm saying that using the term atheist to describe the beliefs of a being incapable of conceptual thought is non-applicable. The argument is sophistry.
sincerly
Well-Known Member
Those who do so against the truths of the Biblical Scriptures are only deceiving themselves.
jtartar
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Dave,
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The word hell is actually a translation of several different words, Sheol, which is the common grave of mankind. Hades, which is the same place, in Greek as Sheol was in Hebrew, Ps 16:10, Acts 2:27,31. The Jews never believed in Sheol, Hades, as being a place of punishment. Job, when he was in agony from what God allowed Satan to bring on him, even prayed to God to go to Sheol, to get out of his agony, and to remember him, and bring him back later, Job 14:13-15. Sheol is that common grave of mankind that all dead ones go to.
Another term translated Hell in many Bibles is Gehenna, which is another word used for The Lake of Fire. Jesus used this term because the Jews of his day understood that Gehenna was a garbage dumb which the Jews threw garbage over the western wall into, what was originally a valley where false worship was carried on and was in the first century used as a garbage dump. They threw sulfur into the valley to keep the fires hot to burn up anything thrown into it. The Jews knew that when anything was thrown into the valley it was completely destroyed, so it became a symbol of complete destruction, from which there will be NO resurrection, just as is mentioned about The Lake of Fire, Matt 5:22, 18:9, 23:33, Mark 9:43-48. Jesus used the word Gehenna because he was impressing on them that they could go into a worse place than Sheol, because the ones in Sheol wil be resurrected, but the ones in Gehenna will not. Gehenna is another word for the same place as The Lake of Fire, Rev 20:13-15. Notice verse 14 which says that death and Hades will be thrown into The Lake of Fire. The Lake of Fire is not and actual place, it is a symbol of being out of existence forever. Notice that Rev 20:14, 21:8, say that The Lake of Fire is The Second Death. The Bible speaks of the smoke ascending forever, showing that anything thrown into it is there forever. There is no punishment in Gehenna or t The Lake of Fire, it is the Second DEATH!!!
Another place that Hell is translated in some Bibles is 2Pet 2:4, where the actual word was Tartarus. This really has nothing to do with mankind, but was a prison for angels that fell away from God, to Satan, Jude 6. These also finally end up in The Lake of Fire, Rev 20:15, 10.
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to you question is; exactly what is the Hell, that is mentioned in many Bibles?
The word hell is actually a translation of several different words, Sheol, which is the common grave of mankind. Hades, which is the same place, in Greek as Sheol was in Hebrew, Ps 16:10, Acts 2:27,31. The Jews never believed in Sheol, Hades, as being a place of punishment. Job, when he was in agony from what God allowed Satan to bring on him, even prayed to God to go to Sheol, to get out of his agony, and to remember him, and bring him back later, Job 14:13-15. Sheol is that common grave of mankind that all dead ones go to.
Another term translated Hell in many Bibles is Gehenna, which is another word used for The Lake of Fire. Jesus used this term because the Jews of his day understood that Gehenna was a garbage dumb which the Jews threw garbage over the western wall into, what was originally a valley where false worship was carried on and was in the first century used as a garbage dump. They threw sulfur into the valley to keep the fires hot to burn up anything thrown into it. The Jews knew that when anything was thrown into the valley it was completely destroyed, so it became a symbol of complete destruction, from which there will be NO resurrection, just as is mentioned about The Lake of Fire, Matt 5:22, 18:9, 23:33, Mark 9:43-48. Jesus used the word Gehenna because he was impressing on them that they could go into a worse place than Sheol, because the ones in Sheol wil be resurrected, but the ones in Gehenna will not. Gehenna is another word for the same place as The Lake of Fire, Rev 20:13-15. Notice verse 14 which says that death and Hades will be thrown into The Lake of Fire. The Lake of Fire is not and actual place, it is a symbol of being out of existence forever. Notice that Rev 20:14, 21:8, say that The Lake of Fire is The Second Death. The Bible speaks of the smoke ascending forever, showing that anything thrown into it is there forever. There is no punishment in Gehenna or t The Lake of Fire, it is the Second DEATH!!!
Another place that Hell is translated in some Bibles is 2Pet 2:4, where the actual word was Tartarus. This really has nothing to do with mankind, but was a prison for angels that fell away from God, to Satan, Jude 6. These also finally end up in The Lake of Fire, Rev 20:15, 10.
i am an orthodox christian and a baby of whatever religion dying is most likely to go straight to god once it dies, this is because it has never had the chance to do good or evil. the cut of age isn't really stated god judges each person and takes into account all their situations when one dies just as an earthly judge gathers all evidence and makes a verdict on an individual god will do the same although exercise a just sentence due to him being all knowing as opposed to an earthly judge. we are given many chances in this life however to discover god and repent to avoid eternal suffering due to our sins. It is impossible for a human to save themselves from their own amoral ways and that is why the orthodox faith believes in Jesus Christ. The attitude shouldn't be to know when you will die but live every day as if you were to die tomorrow having faith in god, striving to live a moral life and having love for ones neighbor.
To understand what hell is, one must first understand the condition of the dead. There is a good explanation by jtartar a few post up as to how some bibles render "hell",but what does the bible really teach about the condition of the dead?
1: (King James Version)Ecclesiastes 9:5 For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten.
2: Ecclesiastes 9:10 Whatsoever thy hand findeth to do, do it with thy might; for there is no work, nor device, nor knowledge, nor wisdom, in the grave, whither thou goest.
3: (King James Version) Psalms 146:4 His breath goeth forth, he returneth to his earth; in that very day his thoughts perish.
So what do the scriptures tell us about the condition of the dead? Can they hear? Can they think? Can they speak? Do they know anything? Then think for yourself, can someone in such a condition be tormented in a firery hell?
2: Ecclesiastes 9:10 Whatsoever thy hand findeth to do, do it with thy might; for there is no work, nor device, nor knowledge, nor wisdom, in the grave, whither thou goest.
3: (King James Version) Psalms 146:4 His breath goeth forth, he returneth to his earth; in that very day his thoughts perish.
So what do the scriptures tell us about the condition of the dead? Can they hear? Can they think? Can they speak? Do they know anything? Then think for yourself, can someone in such a condition be tormented in a firery hell?
"Born Eunuch"
Anonymous American Black Male
My understanding from this Bible Scripture is that the Abrahamic God punishes the children of the iniquitous for their father's iniquity, so my guess is that the children of the iniquitous can be sent to hell at any age:
Exodus 20:5
Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the Lord thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;
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psychoslice
Veteran Member
I believe there is no hell, no god, no burning, so just relax and enjoy your life.
Levite
Higher and Higher
For what it's worth, the Rabbis of the Talmud tell us that this refers to God not automatically forgiving adult children who willingly adopt the same transgressive behaviors that their parents engaged in. However, God always forgives anyone who repents of their actions. And if a parent commits transgressions, which are then rejected and not repeated by their adult children (minors, of course, are not legally liable for their behavior), then the children are certainly not blamed for what their parents did. At least in Judaism (which, let's remember, is the origin of those scriptures), we don't believe in inherited sin of any kind.
Monk Of Reason
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Depending on what verse you read from its conception. An aborted fetus will burn in hell because of its atheist parents. In the bible for a child to be sent to heaven at least one of the parents must believe in him or be worthy of heaven.