Watchtower Governing Body: Are They The Exclusive Channel For God??

[savagewind]

I agree with you that the gospel consists of everything Jesus taught and did.

The issue is you preach another gospel, a different gospel..
The different gospel that Jehovah's Witnesses preach centers around the thought that Jesus Christ, who they believe to be Michael the archangel, returned invisibly in the year 1914 and set up the Kingdom of God in the hands of the Watchtower Society, opening the way for men to gain everlasting life on earth through their obedience to the Watchtower organization.

Your perception is fined tuned I see. Let them read that last part out loud and then be able to say "amen". I don't think so!

 

[katiemygirl]

This tells us that the gospel centers around the life death and resurrection of Jesus. Of course we teach this... our whole faith is based on the ransom sacrifice of Jesus Christ.

But this verse alone is not all of the gospel for it does not tell us the purpose of Jesus life, death and resurrection. It gives no information about why Christ died for us or what his death accomplished. Paul elaborates those details in others scriptures.

Perhaps you can elaborate on this by providing other verses explaining it.



we believe and teach this too.

So what is the issue here?

No Pegg, that is not what you teach door to door. I have had many JW's come to my home, and not one preached the gospel Peter preached on the day of Pentecost. Not one ever told me what I must do to be saved.

 

[Pegg]

I agree with you that the gospel consists of everything Jesus taught and did.

The issue is you preach another gospel, a different gospel..

The different gospel that Jehovah's Witnesses preach centers around the thought that Jesus Christ, who they believe to be Michael the archangel, returned invisibly in the year 1914 and set up the Kingdom of God in the hands of the Watchtower Society, opening the way for men to gain everlasting life on earth through their obedience to the Watchtower organization.

Did not Jesus himself say that he would come again and when he did, it would be on the clouds of heaven?

Matt 24:30 Then the sign ofthe Son of man will appear in heaven, and all the tribes ofthe earth will beat themselves in grief,+and they will see the Son of man+ coming onthecloudsofheaven with power and great glory.

Do you realise that we preach the same gospel as you, except that ours informs us that Christ has returned.

When Jesus came, did the jews, Gods own people, believe that he was the Messiah? No. Yet there he was in their presence and they did not believe it.
Well, the same situation exists today. Christ has returned, and we are telling you, but you dont believe it. That scripture you posted earlier about the Angels who said "Why do you stand looking into the sky...Jesus will come in the same manner" should tell you that when Jesus returns, we wont see him in the flesh just as the disciples could no longer see him in the flesh when he was lifted up to heaven.

Its funny how history repeats itself.

 

[Pegg]

Whose witnesses are we supposed to be according to Acts 1:4-8?

we are witnesses of the fact that Christ is the Messiah.

But who sent him? Should you not also be a witness to that one?

 

[savagewind]

No Pegg, that is not what you teach door to door. I have had many JW's come to my home, and not one preached the gospel Peter preached on the day of Pentecost. Not one ever told me what I must do to be saved.

I think you are correct. I am as sure as I can be that I would not have listened to Rachel again who came to my house the first time if she had not mentioned Jesus that day. Jesus is savior of the world. NOT a publishing corporation. Jesus himself said "you think you will get a hearing for your use of many words". You won't.

 

[Pegg]

I don't concern myself with order or specifics. What matters to me is that I am right with God. I am ready. I look forward to when He comes again.

Its the 'order and specifics' that show us how we can be right with God. You should be concerned with them.

 

[kjw47]

Do you know Jesus or do you know the governing body version of him?

They are correct about Jesus--he is Michael--Michael stood up for the sons of men-Daniel 12:1

 

[Pegg]

No Pegg, that is not what you teach door to door. I have had many JW's come to my home, and not one preached the gospel Peter preached on the day of Pentecost. Not one ever told me what I must do to be saved.

I find that hard to believe because i'm one of those people who go to your door and i know what we teach people.

Perhaps you just weren't listening?

 

[kjw47]

I agree to fight and kill your brother is wicked. But many people profess Jesus Christ as lord and savior, are willing to die to defend the truth and refuse to do any sort of violence but because they won't profess the governing body ALSO, you say they will be killed by Jehovah. So to be true Christians WE must not kill believers but Jehovah will, according to YOU.

99% either believe in a false god, or no god, or reject Jesus. So they are not believers.

 

[kjw47]

No one has asked for signs or miracles. I have consistently asked for Scriptural proof for Watchtower claims. I am just like the Bereans, testing what is told to me against the Scriptures.

KJW47, I trust you are an honest person. I believe you would never intentionally lie, no matter what.

Could you answer a question for me? What is the ratio of your time spent reading Watchtower literature compared to reading just the Bible?

A couple years ago, I began reading the Bible, using a daily reading plan. I got through the Bible from beginning to end in a year. I have always read the Bible in large chunks, because for me context is everything. And I have pretty much studied most of the 66 books at one time or another over the past 38 years. Anyway, I started doing something a bit differently last year than I had done before. I use headphones now, and listen to the Bible being read aloud. I realized just how much more I picked up on, that I hadn't when I was simply reading. Things just jumped out at me that I had never thought about. I can't begin to say how much spiritual growth I experienced doing this. I believe the Holy Spirit speaks to us through His word. I highly recommend this to everyone, regardless of what they believe.

Here you go--- the most taught truth in the nt.

Jesus and every --REAL teacher of his teach this---John 20:17, Rev 3:12-- 2Cor 1:3, 1Cor 8:6, 1Cor 15:24-28---1Peter 1:3---John at Rev 1:6--4 witnesses all in 100% agreement--Jesus has a God--his Father--this is the only true God--John 4:22-24= Jehovah.

 

[savagewind]

99% either believe in a false god, or no god, or reject Jesus. So they are not believers.

OK. You are good with figures. I believe in the Creator God you call Jehovah. I lead my life based on the teachings of Jesus. I do not support the governing body. Am I in the 1% or in the 99%?

 

[kjw47]

I can only say what the Scriptures say, and they clearly say the earth will be destroyed. I have to trust what God's word says.

2 Peter 3:4-10
They will say, “Where is the promise of his coming? For ever since the fathers fell asleep, all things are continuing as they were from the beginning of creation.” For they deliberately overlook this fact, that the heavens existed long ago, and the earth was formed out of water and through water by the word of God, and that by means of these the world that then existed was deluged with water and perished. But by the same word the heavens and earth that now exist are stored up for fire, being kept until the day of judgment and destruction of the ungodly. But do not overlook this one fact, beloved, that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. The Lord is not slow to fulfill his promise as some count slowness, but is patient toward you, not wishing that any should perish, but that all should reach repentance. But the day of the Lord will come like a thief, and then the heavens will pass away with a roar, andthe heavenly bodies will be burned up and dissolved, and the earth and the works that are done on it will be exposed.

How can anyone believe they can survive such an event?

I am convinced that many people do not know the Bible.

When Jesus comes again, He will come in the same way He left. Acts 1:11.

11 who also said, “Men of Galilee, why do you stand gazing up into heaven? This same Jesus, who was taken up from you into heaven, will so come in like manner as you saw Him go into heaven.”

1 Thessalonians 4:16-17
“For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air”

1 Cor. 15:52-53
“Behold, I tell you a mystery: We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed—in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed”

Question: If the dead in Christ rise first, and the christians who are left are changed in the twinkling of an eye, being changed from corruptible to incorruptible, then what happens to those left on the earth?

Gods word teaches--- unless those days were cut short--no flesh would be saved---they will be brought through under Gods protection.

The new earth--a place where righteousness will dwell. No more satan influence after he is destroyed in the lake of fire(eternal destruction)
Gods kingdom rule in full control forever( Daniel 2:44)
Rev 21:3-- likens it to be a tent of protection over all of creation--forever.
right now--this maggot infested tent is over the majority-2Cor 4:4

 

[savagewind]

I hear something. Jesus appointed an organization to feed people seeking Jehovah. If I won't be fed by them I am not a true believer ie 1%. But let's reason shall we? One day is as a thousand years and Moses did not eat or drink for 40 days. Accordingly I can live my whole life quite easily without eating a thing. Therefore I believe you should put me in your 1% even if I don't eat with you from their table.

Proverbs 23 1When you sit down to dine with a ruler, Consider carefully what is before you, 2And put a knife to your throat If you are a man of great appetite.3Do not desire his delicacies, For it is deceptive food.

 

[kjw47]

OK. You are good with figures. I believe in the Creator God you call Jehovah. I lead my life based on the teachings of Jesus. I do not support the governing body. Am I in the 1% or in the 99%?

Jesus already showed you when he taught this about his real teachers--the anointed

Per-se--- Whatever you don't do( or do) to these( anointed teachers) the least( mortal) of my brothers--YOU DO TO ME.( Jesus)

so by rejecting his real teachers he says you in reality are rejecting him as well---that simple.

 

[savagewind]

Jesus already showed you when he taught this about his real teachers--the anointed

Per-se--- Whatever you don't do( or do) to these( anointed teachers) the least( mortal) of my brothers--YOU DO TO ME.( Jesus)

so by rejecting his real teachers he says you in reality are rejecting him as well---that simple.

Why did you not read my post? In that illustration Jesus called them LEAST. How can the greatest teachers who ever lived be called LEAST? Tell me please.

Define least. lowest in consideration,position,or importance.

 

[savagewind]

You say the governing body Jesus calls "least". Least in relation to what? Why do they say Jesus calls them least?

They being the least in Jesus illustration is why you obey them with your life and you tell me I should obey them with my life. So you have to tell us. How are they least?

Have they not answered that question yet?

 

[kjw47]

Why did you not read my post? In that illustration Jesus called them LEAST. How can the greatest teachers who ever lived be called LEAST? Tell me please.

Define least. lowest in consideration,position,or importance.

they are--MORTAL( in a sinful state of being)-- the rest of Jesus brothers are perfect spirit beings( sinless)
Even while Jesus was-MORTAL-- Gods word teaches --he was made--LOWER than the angels.

 

[savagewind]

they are--MORTAL( in a sinful state of being)-- the rest of Jesus brothers are perfect spirit beings( sinless)
Even while Jesus was-MORTAL-- Gods word teaches --he was made--LOWER than the angels.

"34Looking about at those who were sitting around Him, He said, "Behold My mother and My brothers! 35"For whoever does the will of God, he is My brother and sister and mother." Is there no one on Earth except the men of the governing body who do God's will?

 

[savagewind]

I think everybody who does God's will is Jesus' family.
Mark 9:41 For truly, I say to you, whoever gives you a cup of water to drink because you belong to Christ will by no means lose his reward.
So kind works for Christ is God's will. Some people do a little, they are least, and some people do a lot. But the ones who did little are not considered nothing like you are saying they are nothing.

 

[kjw47]

"34Looking about at those who were sitting around Him, He said, "Behold My mother and My brothers! 35"For whoever does the will of God, he is My brother and sister and mother." Is there no one on Earth except the men of the governing body who do God's will?

Many do--but only few are anointed brothers.