sojourner
Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
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Was Jesus Really Crucified
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fallingblood
Agnostic Theist
Why don't you come back once you can actually form a logical debate. From all I see, all you can do is whine when someone shows that you're wrong, and then you fall into the infantile act of insulting others because you simply do not know how to debate.
It really just seems as if you are in two deep now. You're over your head, and really can't prove anything, so you fall into the trap of attacking the messenger and not the message. Maybe you would like to try to actually deal with the message, but I'm sure that is too hard for you, considering you really are over your head here.
sojourner
Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
Dear God! Please! For the love of Pete -- debate something here. There's a time to parry, thrust and evade. So far, all you've done is rattle your saber and evade. Join the battle with something substantial!
Bring forth some scripture for discussion, brother...after all, you are in a 'SCRIPTURAL DEBATE' forum...
sojourner
Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
You seem to think the emphasis is on "scriptural." However, the emphasis is on "debate," for that's the kind of forum this is -- a debate forum. "Scriptural" only modifies "debate."
Bring on a debate, and we'll debate. I don't care if it's about Miley Cyrus' acne problem, so long as it's a debate.
fallingblood
Agnostic Theist
Irony?
For someone complaining about excuses, you sure have a lot of them yourself. I think everyone is still waiting on you to provide anything at all.
fallingblood
Agnostic Theist
I know, your avoidance tactics are unbelievable.
Until you can add some substance to your posts instead of just avoidance tactics, I won't be responding to you anymore. As can be seen in this thread, it simply is a waste of time because you really have such a lack of understanding that it is just amazing. If you can't debate, that's fine, but don't peddle your blind faith on others.
asmcreations
New Member
Not only the scripture shows evidence in Jesus crucifixion but also written with some prominent Jewish historians.
fallingblood
Agnostic Theist
You really haven't read this thread at all have you? Ignorance may be bliss, but there is little room for it in an actual debate.
Muffled
Jesus in me
Mat 5:17 ¶ Think not that I came to destroy the law or the prophets: I came not to destroy, but to fulfil.
Muffled
Jesus in me
God in human form should be expected to have human emotions. However having emotions does not equate to committing sin. Certainly one could expect a human spirit in a body to sin but not God. The fact that Jesus did not sin is one of the many facts supporting His divinity and His death on the cross as a sacrificial lamb without blemish. Joh 1:36 and he looked upon Jesus as he walked, and saith, Behold, the Lamb of God!
However your view that Jesus sinned is from man's perspective not from God's perspective. The Law was given to Moses to help the people of Israel not to supplant God. THe jews have taken the Law and replaced God with it. Not only that but they added to and changed the law to man's ideas (not the Tenach itself but the way the Tenach was interpreted). Jesus returns the law to its proper place as subserviant to God.
The Qu'ran talks about this tendency to change God's word by reinterpretation and Muslims and Christians are just as guilty of doing it as were the Jews.
First of all there was no baptism in Judaism. There was ritual washing by priests before entering the Holy of Holies. John the Baptist introduced Baptism calling on people to repent and be baptized but the testimony of John was that Jesus had no need to be baptized (because He was without sin). Mat 3:15 But Jesus answering said unto him, Suffer it now: for thus it becometh us to fulfil all righteousness. Then he suffereth him. Jesus is not confessing sin in this verse, He is simply saying that Baptism is the right thing to do. If Jesus had cofessed sin there would be a legitimate reason to say He sinned but the fact that He did not does not reflect negatively upon Him and God the Father appears to agree:
Mat 5:17 and lo, a voice out of the heavens, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.
You do understand that an egg is fertilized by sperm?
I can't tell if you are using sarcasm or not.
psychoslice
Veteran Member
Its all a metaphorical story, so take it whatever way you want from the story.
As with all things, there is a grain of truth. There was likely a Jesus of Nazareth, son of Mary, and was a heretical Rabbi at roughly that time.
My problem with the story is the nature of the crucifixion. Rome rarely, if ever, used it as a sentence of death. The only notable time was with the Spartacus uprising. I think Jesus merely went into a death-like state. I mean, medical knowledge was not exactly the best. It is entirely possible to be assumed dead without actually being so without finely tuned equipment.