Who caused Satan or the devil rebel

[Nada]

That's a cop-out. I guess you don't have an argument.

Oh I do,I just know it will have no effect on one who refuses to acknowledge truth.
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[Saint Frankenstein]

Oh I do,I just know it will have no effect on one who refuses to acknowledge truth.
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More cop-outs. Are you going to make an argument or not? What, there's no link on the Watchtower site that addresses this? Come on, let's all see your "truth".

 

[Nada]

More cop-outs. Are you going to make an argument or not? What, there's no link on the Watchtower site that addresses this? Come on, let's all see your "truth".

Cop outs? Lol..:biglaugh: Your approach is amusing.I love how you put, '"Come on, let's all see your "truth".'" Nice touch. :clap

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Cop outs? Lol..:biglaugh: Your approach is amusing.I love how you put, '"Come on, let's all see your "truth".'" Nice touch. :clap

I see this conservation is at an end. It's okay.

 

[Nada]

I see this conservation is at an end. It's okay.

It was over a long time ago in a galaxy far far away.:sw:

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[nazz]

It was over a long time ago in a galaxy far far away.:sw:

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or could be what you are offering is simply not the truth. Saying "I'm right, you're wrong" is not very convincing.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

It was over a long time ago in a galaxy far far away.

Just stop. You're being rather pathetic at this point. I thought my last post would end this, but you keep replying and it's derailing the thread. It's over with.

 

[Nada]

Shhhh.......they will hear you NAZZ. Quick say something about the devil before we are accused of derailing the thread.Uh....yes.... uh... satan the devil was the one who caused the fall of mankind by deceiving Eve. Satan the devil rebelled because he did not want to obey God and he also wanted to be worshipped.

 

[Nada]

or could be what you are offering is simply not the truth. Saying "I'm right, you're wrong" is not very convincing.

I just noticed it says this on the thread description.Who caused Satan or the devil rebel

I thought it said who caused Satan or the Devil to rebel.Im sure that is what they meant anyway.

Ps.You are not correct about me.I have presented truth about what is in the holy scriptures but a certain person refuses to accept it because they do not believe it,so it is pointless in trying to explain it to that party.You feel me?

 

[Adramelek]

Satan was the one responsible for tricking Eve and causing Adam and Eve to inherit death through sin.How does that make satan to look like a good guy? If it was not for his treason against God we would not be in the situation we are in today.Look around you,this world is a projection of what satan thinks is a good way to live. Death,pestilence,poverty,pollution,wars,sexual immorality etc..

It is true that the Gift of Satan-Lucifer is a double edged sword. The gift of isolate intelligence combined with man's natural instincts has been the cause of wars between peoples and nations, political and religious turmoil, pollution, etc. But it has also given us the ability to rise forth in the creative arts of science, mathematics, art, music, philosophies, etc. In the Satanic document "The Diabolicon - the Statement of Belial" it is written - "Man must recognize the ultimate potential of my Gift ere he destroy his very race through its abuse." Yes, man, with his intelligence has evolved to create works of wonder and genius, but has also learned how to destroy not just himself but this world in which he inhabits. It is up to us, not some other god or divine being, which way we want to take this. Either we can devolve towards our complete annihilation or we can evolve to wield the Gift with wisdom, preserving for all mankind this key to infinite Will.

Xeper.
/Adramelek\

 

[Nada]

It is true that the Gift of Satan-Lucifer is a double edged sword. The gift of isolate intelligence combined with man's natural instincts has been the cause of wars between peoples and nations, political and religious turmoil, pollution, etc. But it has also given us the ability to rise forth in the creative arts of science, mathematics, art, music, philosophies, etc. In the Satanic document "The Diabolicon - the Statement of Belial" it is written - "Man must recognize the ultimate potential of my Gift ere he destroy his very race through its abuse." Yes, man, with his intelligence has evolved to create works of wonder and genius, but has also learned how to destroy not just himself but this world through things such as thermal nuclear war, etc. It is up to us, not some other god or divine being, which way we want to take this. Either we can devolve towards our complete annihilation or we can evolve to wield the Gift with wisdom, preserving for all mankind this key to infinite Will.

Xeper.
/Adramelek\

Wow! Well said.This guy!:clap

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Ps.You are not correct about me.I have presented truth about what is in the holy scriptures but a certain person refuses to accept it because they do not believe it,so it is pointless in trying to explain it to that party.You feel me?

I don't accept the typical Christian interpretation because it doesn't add up. I have thought about it over a long period of time and study. I am not beholden to your dogma and that seems to be all you have to argue with.

 

[Nada]

I don't accept the typical Christian interpretation because it doesn't add up. I have thought about it over a long period of time and study. I am not beholden to your dogma and that seems to be all you have to argue with.

Well, if it has to do with what God says, then the holy scriptures would be the best source.Just because you do not understand or accept it does not render it null and void.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Well, if it has to do with what God says, then the holy scriptures would be the best source.Just because you do not understand or accept it does not render it null and void.

Just because I don't agree with you doesn't mean I don't understand it. I understand the Christian position. I just don't agree because they don't hold up to scrutiny.

 

[Nada]

I don't accept the typical Christian interpretation because it doesn't add up. I have thought about it over a long period of time and study. I am not beholden to your dogma and that seems to be all you have to argue with.

I hope you did not get to upset over all this silliness.It's all good man.:hug:

 

[Nada]

Just because I don't agree with you doesn't mean I don't understand it. I understand the Christian position. I just don't agree because they don't hold up to scrutiny.

Well if one is to fully understand something accurately, then it is to be fully examined with a fine comb until all is brought to the surface.:computer:

 

[Quagmire]

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[Saint Frankenstein]

Thanks.

 

[te_lanus]

Nope. That was the "Snake". Only after the "creation"/Incorporation of a "evil" entity (which was poached from Zoroastrianism during the Exile in Babylon) did the Snake of Genesis got linked to Satan (and mostly due to the Non-Canonical book of Enoch).

That's why in 2 Samuel 24 David was tempted by God to count the people of Israel, yet in 1 Chronicles 21 Satan tempted David, Since Samuel was written before the Exile,and the Idea of Satan as an evil entity didn't exist in Jewish thought. And Chronicles was written after the Exile, thus Satan as an evil entity was imprinted onto Judaism

Some Further Reading:
Iranian Impact on Judaism
A history of the Devil | Dangerous Minds

No.......

Why just a no?

Well if one is to fully understand something accurately, then it is to be fully examined with a fine comb until all is brought to the surface.:computer:

If one truly want to know the truth one has to go past one's ideologies as taught by one's church/mosque/temple. A lot of Christians will not examine something in depth. They'll study things using media as prepared (and based on the theology of their chosen path), thus their so-called truth is most times really just a bunch of halve-truths and whole lies.

Satan, back when Judaism started was just a title that someone gave someone else who would appose him

IE 1 Samuel 29:4: The Philistines were distrustful of David, fearing that he would be a satan. ( normally translated "adversary" or "someone who will turn against us").

4 And the heads of the Philistines are wroth against him, and the heads of the Philistines say to him, `Send back the man, and he doth turn back unto his place whither thou hast appointed him, and doth not go down with us into battle, and is not to us for an adversary in battle; and wherewith doth this one reconcile himself unto his lord -- is it not with the heads of those men?'

H7854
שׂטן
śâṭân
saw-tawn'
From H7853; an opponent; especially (with the article prefixed) Satan, the arch enemy of good: - adversary, Satan, withstand.

Again in Numbers 22:22

22 And God's anger was kindled because he went: and the angel of the Lord stood in the way for an adversary against him. Now he was riding upon his ***, and his two servants were with him

The word used for adversary is Satan, and here Satan is an "angel of The Lord"

In Job 1+2 Satan is seen still in heaven having a chat with God (without god being angry t him or throwing him out) Something that the Church no longer teach since it makes a mockery of the current teaching saying that Satan and God is adversaries. Since Why would God allow Satan (who corrupted over 1/3 of the angels according to the church's Dogma/Post-Exile teachings) to enter Heaven, when he knows Satan is just going to tempt more angels to join him.


Satan is an Angel that works for God. The current Christian view of Satan is:

• 5% Pre-exile Satan
• 15% Post-Exile Satan
• 10% New Testamental Satan
• 30% Paradise Lost Satan
• 25% Satan as seen by Artist
• 10% Hollywood Satan
• 5% Made-Up ideas

 

[Nada]

Why just a no?



If one truly want to know the truth one has to go past one's ideologies as taught by one's church/mosque/temple. A lot of Christians will not examine something in depth. They'll study things using media as prepared (and based on the theology of their chosen path), thus their so-called truth is most times really just a bunch of halve-truths and whole lies.

Satan, back when Judaism started was just a title that someone gave someone else who would appose him

IE 1 Samuel 29:4: The Philistines were distrustful of David, fearing that he would be a satan. ( normally translated "adversary" or "someone who will turn against us").




Again in Numbers 22:22

The word used for adversary is Satan, and here Satan is an "angel of The Lord"

In Job 1+2 Satan is seen still in heaven having a chat with God (without god being angry t him or throwing him out) Something that the Church no longer teach since it makes a mockery of the current teaching saying that Satan and God is adversaries. Since Why would God allow Satan (who corrupted over 1/3 of the angels according to the church's Dogma/Post-Exile teachings) to enter Heaven, when he knows Satan is just going to tempt more angels to join him.


Satan is an Angel that works for God. The current Christian view of Satan is:

• 5% Pre-exile Satan
• 15% Post-Exile Satan
• 10% New Testamental Satan
• 30% Paradise Lost Satan
• 25% Satan as seen by Artist
• 10% Hollywood Satan
• 5% Made-Up ideas

If I had just said yes,that would have been sufficient I'm sure.