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Humans did NOT evolve from the common ancestor of Apes

Riverwolf

Amateur Rambler / Proud Ergi
Premium Member
Dear Riverwolf, ONLY God is good. Anything apart from Him is subject to Death.

Mar 10:18 And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou Me good? there is none good but one, that is, God.

You have not answered my question. I asked what good and evil are in themselves, not what things are good and evil.

Remember that I don't regard the Bible as the Word of God. Therefore, you can quote it all you want: I've seen no indication that its origin is any more divine than any other mythos.

Sure it does. when Noah's descendants arrived on our Earth, they used their superior Human intelligence to Farm in the Valleys of Northern Mesopotamia, the Cradle of Human Civilization on this Planet. Then came commerce, city building, math, and writing, and EVERY other modern Human trait had it's origin EXACTLY where God tells us the Ark arrived on this Planet of the descendants of prehistoric people who were NOT Humans. Below is empirical evidence of the arrival of the FIRST Humans on our Earth:

Map: Fertile Cresent, 9000 to 4500 BCE
There is nothing in that map which supports your wild assumptions.

That's the problem with a lot of Evols. They take the namby pamby approach of trying to attack the messanger, from the flanks.
I have not attacked you as a person, I've questioned your knowledge.

Just the same as you've questioned mine.

I've posted that the ESA will confirm this year that we do indeed, live in a Multiverse. Genesis tells us the SAME thing. Gen 1:6-8 shows that the FIRST Heaven was made the Second Day.
Gen 2:4 shows that other HeavenS (Plural) were made the THIRD Day.
That's at least THREE Heavens or Universes within our Multiverse, which will soon be confirmed by the Europeans, since the "do nothing" Repubs cut the money off from NASA to complete the L.I.S.A. Mission.
You post nothing but a massive misunderstanding of ancient mythology. The "Heavens" just means the sky. Nothing more. It's not actually referring to a real plurality any more than "Elohim" (plural of El, thus making "Elohim" mean "Gods") in the Tanakh points to multiple Gods.

That's strange since a Ferry has been running there for years, thus refuting your personal opinion.
A ferry the size and shape of the lake?

I didn't say the lake was unsuitable for any sort of boat travel. But you seem to be asserting that the lake was shaped by the Ark, when there's no indication that it was.

What extraterrestrial origin are you speaking of?
The one you're speaking of. Anything that is not part of this planet is "extraterrestrial".

The FIRST firmament, the Boundary of Adam's world, which protected it from the water in which it was placed, was floating in Lake Van, Turkey, until the windows on top were opened and it rained for 40 days and nights BEFORE the Ark was lifted up from Adam's world, and later escaped that world, into the mountains of Ararat in Lake Van, Turkey. The Firmament, along with the Soil of Adam's world, was "clean dissolved" in the Flood which totally destroyed Adam's world. Isaiah 24:19 Haven't you read the story?
I've read the story that's told in the Tanakh. I don't know what story you're referring to, 'cause it's not the one that's there.
 
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Riverwolf

Amateur Rambler / Proud Ergi
Premium Member
And we do unto lesser things at will.
We bridle horses.....collar and chain dogs...cage little birds.....
Kill insects just because we don't like them.

Misunderstanding?......really?

Yup. Misunderstanding. Those animals are not "lesser" than us, at all. They've simply been domesticated.

In spite of the origins and the resemblances to lesser forms....
there's nothing like Man on this earth.

Nothing like African Elephants, either.

Or Gorillas.

Or European Wolves.

Or Great White Sharks.

Or Black Widows.

And I can go on.
 
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Runewolf1973

Materialism/Animism
In spite of the origins and the resemblances to lesser forms....
there's nothing like Man on this earth.

How do you explain the distinct variations of Man on this Earth? The African Pygmies for example are human just like the rest of us, but yet their average skeletal size is much smaller. Explain how this happened without some kind of adaptation or evolution taking its toll...

Pygmy peoples - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia




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Sapiens

Polymathematician
In spite of the origins and the resemblances to lesser forms....
there's nothing like Man on this earth.
Hmm ... what is "like"? Is a 90% or better resemblance "like"? If it is, then we've lots of company that is like us.
 

Thief

Rogue Theologian
Yup. Misunderstanding. Those animals are not "lesser" than us, at all. They've simply been domesticated.



Nothing like African Elephants, either.

Or Gorillas.

Or European Wolves.

Or Great White Sharks.

Or Black Widows.

And I can go on.

You didn't draw the line where you should have....and you know it.
 

Aman777

Bible Believer
You accuse Adam of being Nephilum just to stay out of being ape?

Dear idav, No. Adam is Human. The sons of God (prehistoric people) descended from the common ancestor, in the water, on the 5th Day Gen 1:21. Science dates this event as beginning some 3.7 Billion years ago, in man's time, in the WATER. Science and Scripture AGREE.

The creatures which were made from the water, are also referred to as "Natural" creatures. Humans were made long BEFORE the sons of God (prehistoric people) also known as the Nephilum. What is important is that the Nephilum are the combination of the sons of God and Adam's daughters. Gen 6:4 Humans are the Intellectual Giants in this verse and shows HOW and WHEN today's Humans inherited the Human intelligence which only God and Adam have. Gen 3:22 It's what separates us from ANIMALS.

Today, we are called Human Beings, since ALL 7 Billion Humans, on Earth today, are Adam's descendants. It's the only way to inherit his Human intelligence, since the ToE is nothing but a False Assumption. It also shows that pure Human blood was contaminated by the blood of the sons of God (prehistoric people) and it cut our lifetimes by Hundreds of years Gen 6:3 and added to the Violence of Humans, making us the most dangerous creatures on the Earth today. Humans are easily identified since NO animal has enough intelligence to post. God Bless you.

In Love,
Aman
 

Aman777

Bible Believer
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Originally Posted by Aman777
Dear Riverwolf, ONLY God is good. Anything apart from Him is subject to Death.

Mar 10:18 And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou Me good? there is none good but one, that is, God.


You have not answered my question. I asked what good and evil are in themselves, not what things are good and evil.

Remember that I don't regard the Bible as the Word of God. Therefore, you can quote it all you want: I've seen no indication that its origin is any more divine than any other mythos.

Dear Riverwolf, Then please explain HOW ancient men, who lived more than 3k years ago, knew that we live in a Multiverse composed of THREE other Universes. This is shown in Gen 1:6-8 when the first firmament or boundary of the 1st Heaven was made, on the SECOND Day. Gen 2:4 shows that other HeavenS were made on the THIRD Day. One plus two equals a Multiverse. ONLY God knew this thousands of years ago. It's proof of God UNLESS you can explain this knowledge of ancient men.

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Sure it does. when Noah's descendants arrived on our Earth, they used their superior Human intelligence to Farm in the Valleys of Northern Mesopotamia, the Cradle of Human Civilization on this Planet. Then came commerce, city building, math, and writing, and EVERY other modern Human trait had it's origin EXACTLY where God tells us the Ark arrived on this Planet of the descendants of prehistoric people who were NOT Humans. Below is empirical evidence of the arrival of the FIRST Humans on our Earth:

Map: Fertile Cresent, 9000 to 4500 BCE
There is nothing in that map which supports your wild assumptions.

It's 100% more than anything offered by any Evol. If you disagree, then produce your map which dates the FIRST farming, city building, and every other trait of modern humans which separates us from Prehistoric people, who were NOT Humans. I won't hold my breath.

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That's the problem with a lot of Evols. They take the namby pamby approach of trying to attack the messanger, from the flanks.
I have not attacked you as a person, I've questioned your knowledge.

Just the same as you've questioned mine.

I was speaking generally. When you show some Evols that their view is False, Historically, they dismiss Historic Empirical Evidence as nothing. It's because they CANNOT make it fit with their False Theory. Humans came to this Planet 10k years ago and Human civilization began, at that time, according to HISTORY AND Scripture.

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I've posted that the ESA will confirm this year that we do indeed, live in a Multiverse. Genesis tells us the SAME thing. Gen 1:6-8 shows that the FIRST Heaven was made the Second Day.
Gen 2:4 shows that other HeavenS (Plural) were made the THIRD Day.
That's at least THREE Heavens or Universes within our Multiverse, which will soon be confirmed by the Europeans, since the "do nothing" Repubs cut the money off from NASA to complete the L.I.S.A. Mission.
You post nothing but a massive misunderstanding of ancient mythology. The "Heavens" just means the sky. Nothing more. It's not actually referring to a real plurality any more than "Elohim" (plural of El, thus making "Elohim" mean "Gods") in the Tanakh points to multiple Gods.

With your massive understanding of ancient mythology, TRY and refute my view. You CANNOT because Genesis was authored by God Himself, and it is impossible to refute Him. God is the Supreme Intelligence of Creation and when you find His Truth, all of other part Truths of men, are easily understood.

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That's strange since a Ferry has been running there for years, thus refuting your personal opinion.
A ferry the size and shape of the lake?

I didn't say the lake was unsuitable for any sort of boat travel. But you seem to be asserting that the lake was shaped by the Ark, when there's no indication that it was.

The Lake was NOT shaped by the Ark, but it does give us a better idea of just HOW big Adam's firmament was. Since the Lake is 75 miles wide, Adam's Biosphere could have been 50 miles wide and still fit within the Lake. In other discussions with Evols, it has been suggested that a firmament 25 miles wide, would allow for the FOUR Rivers of Adam's world, and the land of Nod, on the East of Eden.
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What extraterrestrial origin are you speaking of?
The one you're speaking of. Anything that is not part of this planet is "extraterrestrial".


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The FIRST firmament, the Boundary of Adam's world, which protected it from the water in which it was placed, was floating in Lake Van, Turkey, until the windows on top were opened and it rained for 40 days and nights BEFORE the Ark was lifted up from Adam's world, and later escaped that world, into the mountains of Ararat in Lake Van, Turkey. The Firmament, along with the Soil of Adam's world, was "clean dissolved" in the Flood which totally destroyed Adam's world. Isaiah 24:19 Haven't you read the story?
I've read the story that's told in the Tanakh. I don't know what story you're referring to, 'cause it's not the one that's there.

No wonder you are confused. Let's start at the beginning. God made THREE Universes or firmaments and placed them in our Multiverse. I gave you the Scripture above which agrees with the Tanakh, but does NOT agree with the Goatherder Theology of ancient men. God Bless you.

In Love,
Aman
 

McBell

mantra-chanting henotheistic snake handler
Dear idav, No. Adam is Human. The sons of God (prehistoric people) descended from the common ancestor, in the water, on the 5th Day Gen 1:21. Science dates this event as beginning some 3.7 Billion years ago, in man's time, in the WATER. Science and Scripture AGREE.

The creatures which were made from the water, are also referred to as "Natural" creatures. Humans were made long BEFORE the sons of God (prehistoric people) also known as the Nephilum. What is important is that the Nephilum are the combination of the sons of God and Adam's daughters. Gen 6:4 Humans are the Intellectual Giants in this verse and shows HOW and WHEN today's Humans inherited the Human intelligence which only God and Adam have. Gen 3:22 It's what separates us from ANIMALS.

Today, we are called Human Beings, since ALL 7 Billion Humans, on Earth today, are Adam's descendants. It's the only way to inherit his Human intelligence, since the ToE is nothing but a False Assumption. It also shows that pure Human blood was contaminated by the blood of the sons of God (prehistoric people) and it cut our lifetimes by Hundreds of years Gen 6:3 and added to the Violence of Humans, making us the most dangerous creatures on the Earth today. Humans are easily identified since NO animal has enough intelligence to post. God Bless you.

In Love,
Aman

When are you going to present some science or history?
 

Aman777

Bible Believer
Why do gou guys keep avoiding my posts? Explain how we have Pygmies if there is no evolution or adaptation.

Dear Runewolf, It's because there is variation and changes within His (Christ's) kinds and Their (God-Natural) kinds. Evols call it evolution. All are still Humans since they are confined to His or Their kinds. No need to ask an Evol since they have their own flawed classification system. IF their bones look alike, then they must be closely related, the "willingly ignorant" proclaim. What they don't know is that there were TWO creations of mankind. God Bless you.

In Love,
Aman
 

Runewolf1973

Materialism/Animism
Dear Runewolf, It's because there is variation and changes within His (Christ's) kinds and Their (God-Natural) kinds. Evols call it evolution. All are still Humans since they are confined to His or Their kinds. No need to ask an Evol since they have their own flawed classification system. IF their bones look alike, then they must be closely related, the "willingly ignorant" proclaim. What they don't know is that there were TWO creations of mankind. God Bless you.

In Love,
Aman


It is only YOU who are being willfully ignorant in denying that these changes and variations including evidence of vestigiality in humans is a marker of our evolution.

Your God and your Bible and your scripture is evidence for NOTHING.
 

Thief

Rogue Theologian
It is only YOU who are being willfully ignorant in denying that these changes and variations including evidence of vestigiality in humans is a marker of our evolution.

Your God and your Bible and your scripture is evidence for NOTHING.

I still find it remarkable the details of Chapter Two ....CAN be performed....
and were reported sooooooooo many years before we humans could see the possibility.
 

Aman777

Bible Believer
It is only YOU who are being willfully ignorant in denying that these changes and variations including evidence of vestigiality in humans is a marker of our evolution.

Your God and your Bible and your scripture is evidence for NOTHING.

Dear Runewolf, I must remind you that it was you who asked for comments on your post. We inherited the evidence of vestigiality and every other genetic marker from the sons of God (Prehistoric people) who were already here when Noah arrived. The Flood destroyed Adam's world, but NOT our world since it's a Rock. Haven't you noticed? Noah's descendants spread Adam's unique Human intelligence over the whole world from Babel. God Bless you.

In Love,
aman
 

Aman777

Bible Believer
I still find it remarkable the details of Chapter Two ....CAN be performed....
and were reported sooooooooo many years before we humans could see the possibility.

Dear Thief, Amen. How many ancient men of 3k years ago do you know who knew that you could take a rib and produce another person from the DNA in the bone? Our God is an Awesome God. Jesus is LORD. God Bless you.

In Love,
Aman
 

Sapiens

Polymathematician
Dear Thief, Amen. How many ancient men of 3k years ago do you know who knew that you could take a rib and produce another person from the DNA in the bone? Our God is an Awesome God. Jesus is LORD. God Bless you.

In Love,
Aman
None, the same number as you, in fact, know, and that's not even considering the problems of Y chromosomes, that are present in the rib but absent in the clone.
 
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Runewolf1973

Materialism/Animism
Dear Runewolf, I must remind you that it was you who asked for comments on your post. We inherited the evidence of vestigiality and every other genetic marker from the sons of God (Prehistoric people) who were already here when Noah arrived. The Flood destroyed Adam's world, but NOT our world since it's a Rock. Haven't you noticed? Noah's descendants spread Adam's unique Human intelligence over the whole world from Babel. God Bless you.

In Love,
aman

So the sons of God had tails?
 

Aman777

Bible Believer
So the sons of God had tails?

Dear Runewolf, The sons of God (prehistoric people) were IDENTICAL physically to modern Humans. They were able to produce Children with each other. Gen 6:1-4 I don't know if they had tails or not, but I do know that they were NOT Humans.

ONLY those who descend from Adam have INHERITED his superior intelligence, which is like God's. Gen 3:22 It's what separates us from ALL other creatures since Humans were FIRST made, Gen 2:4-7 and destined to rule the world. Gen 1:28 God Bless you.

In Love,
Aman
 

Aman777

Bible Believer
None, the same number as you, in fact, know, and that's not even considering the problems of Y chromosomes, that are present in the rib but absent in the clone.

Dear Sapiens, You must remember that Jesus IS God, physically. He knew all about Y chromosomes before the Big Bang. The Miracle, which you fail to acknowledge, is His Supreme Intelligence in knowing HOW to make such wonderful female creatures by the Billions.

Poor old stupid Nature has NEVER overcome the problem of death since 99.9% of all the species, who have ever lived, are now extinct. This includes ALL of the prehistoric people who were here when Noah arrived. Those prehistoric people, who did NOT produce children with Humans, are now extinct.

The 7 Billion Humans, which the LORD has produced, have a Free Choice to believe Him or Not. Many put their Faith in Nature, and Evolutionism, which has NO intelligence, NO Goal, and NO direction. It's nothing more than a dead, neutral, concept of men who have Rejected God's Truth in Genesis. God Bless you.

In Love,
Aman
 

McBell

mantra-chanting henotheistic snake handler
Dear Sapiens, You must remember that Jesus IS God, physically. He knew all about Y chromosomes before the Big Bang. The Miracle, which you fail to acknowledge, is His Supreme Intelligence in knowing HOW to make such wonderful female creatures by the Billions.

Poor old stupid Nature has NEVER overcome the problem of death since 99.9% of all the species, who have ever lived, are now extinct. This includes ALL of the prehistoric people who were here when Noah arrived. Those prehistoric people, who did NOT produce children with Humans, are now extinct.

The 7 Billion Humans, which the LORD has produced, have a Free Choice to believe Him or Not. Many put their Faith in Nature, and Evolutionism, which has NO intelligence, NO Goal, and NO direction. It's nothing more than a dead, neutral, concept of men who have Rejected God's Truth in Genesis. God Bless you.

In Love,
Aman

Damn.
Still no science or history in your posts.

Nothing but twisted scripture...

One wonders what your god thinks of all your blatant bold faced lies?
 
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