Enough!

[`mud]

And He wrote not one word, amazing !
~
Savage, you don't have a problem, just adjust your beliefs.
~
'mud

 

[savagewind]

That needs sorting. Go on a Samaritans course , or whatever service/charity you have for contact with very sad folks, or work in a soup kitchen. The busier you are, the easier 'things' can look. :yes:

It should not be easy to know the whole world is being misled.

Also, I live in Maine. Charity is not close. Everything in Maine is far away. I have considered the soup kitchen but daily trips to it will put ME in need of it.

OK.... but sometimes your posts look as if your about to chuck chairs about.

Good! And I am still here. I am the first one to be amazed.

I have spent time around the mentally disabled, and they are very often very contented and happy. Are you contented and happy?

I am happy. I am not contented which means peaceful.

They dress the wound of my people as though it were not serious. 'Peace, peace,' they say, when there is no peace. Jeremiah 6:14

While people are saying, "Peace and safety," destruction will come on them suddenly, as labor pains on a pregnant woman, and they will not escape.
1 Thessalonians 5:3

"Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. Matthew 10:34

Savage..... it looks incomplete.
Jesus would want to have his message included in His Creed.
'Don't mislead' would be part, but not all of it.

I have no intention of starting a religion.

Remember...... don't bite me!

Stop it! I am not a dog.

 

[savagewind]

And He wrote not one word, amazing !
~
Savage, you don't have a problem, just adjust your beliefs.
~
'mud

Just adjust my own beliefs. Thankyou. It is what I am doing. I am certain all my friends will want to know it too.

Thank you!

 

[oldbadger]

I have no intention of starting a religion. .

Ok.... But you are writing to the JW central body with ... um.... 'points'

Here's where I am at. I don't believe in judging folks by my standards (which are cr-p anyway). I try to discover their standards and see how they match up to their own rules, creeds, etc.
Using this technique I have come to discover that the JWs are the most consistent folks I have ever known, and also, having listened to and watched them for decades, they are the most trustworthy people I have ever known.

I can't join 'em, because I believe in different 'things', but my respect for them is very very high.

Now, can you explain any problems that you have with the JWs, their faith, their leadership, their lifestyles or anything else? You need to pinpoint this so that I can understand the problem exactly. If you don't believe in something that they do believe, that should not be a problem.... it just means that, like me, you cannot be a JW.

Is this fair?

Stop it! I am not a dog.

I have seen RF members leaving debates, ripped to pieces...... I was thinking more along the lines of werewolf

 

[idav]

I can't join 'em, because I believe in different 'things', but my respect for them is very very high.

Thats it in a nutshell. I have high respect for the orthodox type of theology and religions, there may not be enough of it. I try to keep it balanced an i know my views wont always carry over well for individuals that dont have that foundation.

 

[savagewind]

Ok.... But you are writing to the JW central body with ... um.... 'points'

I don't know what this means.
I don't believe anything different than what I think faithful men and woman anywhere, anytime believe.

Here's where I am at. I don't believe in judging folks by my standards (which are cr-p anyway). I try to discover their standards and see how they match up to their own rules, creeds, etc.

Well, what about Hamas standards?

Using this technique I have come to discover that the JWs are the most consistent folks I have ever known, and also, having listened to and watched them for decades, they are the most trustworthy people I have ever known.

I can't join 'em, because I believe in different 'things', but my respect for them is very very high.

I'm sorry that it looks like I do not respect them. Looking from my point of view I see it is they who do not respect me.

Now, can you explain any problems that you have with the JWs, their faith, their leadership, their lifestyles or anything else? You need to pinpoint this so that I can understand the problem exactly. If you don't believe in something that they do believe, that should not be a problem.... it just means that, like me, you cannot be a JW.

Is this fair?

Yes, it is fair.

The Jehovah's Witness teach that anyone who will conscientiously reject the faithful and discreet slave who they say is them is cursed. (but they will say they don't say cursed and that is right - it is the easiest word to describe it). I knew Mr. Rogers was a better man than many elders in the congregation. I did not believe that he should become a JW to be saved.
Fred Rogers - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

And they really teach a Jehovah's Witness is only anyone who reports time spent in the ministry of preaching God's Word their way.

They declare anyone who has left their organization has left God and Jesus Christ too.

Do you agree with them that I am an apostate of God Almighty? Is it OK that they publish that I am an apostate of God Almighty?

 

[savagewind]

The Jehovah's Witnesses are taught to believe that to insult them is to insult Jehovah (God). And to disagree with them is to fight against Jesus Christ (God's son).

 

[savagewind]

My disagreements with them they call insults. Their insults to me they call God's will because it is God's will they pledged to do and they are ALL taught to believe that I am a mentally diseased apostate. That makes one against seven million and I'm the bully??????

 

[Shak34]

I understand where you are coming from. I was born and raised a witness and know first hand the damage that they can do. There are many support groups for ex-witnesses out there and I found this to be very helpful. If you follow what is going on with the witness community, you would see they are doing plenty of damage to themselves. Just look at the new June 1 watchtower, it has the F-word written in the smoke on the cover and all of the literature that has been changed because of the hidden pictures. There are many you tubers that are showing them for what they really are. The truth is getting out and I am sure more and more people will start to see it.

 

[savagewind]

I understand where you are coming from. I was born and raised a witness and know first hand the damage that they can do. There are many support groups for ex-witnesses out there and I found this to be very helpful. If you follow what is going on with the witness community, you would see they are doing plenty of damage to themselves. Just look at the new June 1 watchtower, it has the F-word written in the smoke on the cover and all of the literature that has been changed because of the hidden pictures. There are many you tubers that are showing them for what they really are. The truth is getting out and I am sure more and more people will start to see it.

Thank you. May your freedom be blessed!

Some ex-jws are very much into conspiracy theories. I am not.

I have been thinking about when the paramont scriptures where changed to mislead. I have so far dedicated less than thirty seconds to the possibility it might be a (somewhat) modern conspiracy of who knows who (the who has got less than 10 seconds so far).

I think the whole world is riding on opinion, not truth. I wonder what would happen if it got straitened out? I think it would be wonderful!

 

[idav]

I'm sorry that it looks like I do not respect them. Looking from my point of view I see it is they who do not respect me.

I know what you mean. That isnt the sort of mentality a religion should advocate imo, but can be argued as scriptural. I am not fond of the verse in 1corinthians I think where it says its ok to put out your brethren and to not eat with sinners. Quite contrary to the mentality christ was pushing for.

 

[savagewind]

I know what you mean. That isnt the sort of mentality a religion should advocate imo, but can be argued as scriptural. I am not fond of the verse in 1corinthians I think where it says its ok to put out your brethren and to not eat with sinners. Quite contrary to the mentality christ was pushing for.

Actually I have not been put out. I can go back anytime I want to.

 

[idav]

Actually I have not been put out. I can go back anytime I want to.

So the idea is the same, change or don't come back?

 

[savagewind]

So the idea is the same, change or don't come back?

I could go back as a mole. Some people do. But it's boring there. Very, very boring.

 

[oldbadger]

I don't know what this means.

I meant that I understood that you had written to the JW GB.

Well, what about Hamas standards?

OK. Let's look at Hamas Standards..... Muslim? Following standards layed down in the Koran? :no:

I'm sorry that it looks like I do not respect them. Looking from my point of view I see it is they who do not respect me.

THey probably do respect your courage and honesty......

The Jehovah's Witness teach that anyone who will conscientiously reject the faithful and discreet slave who they say is them is cursed. (but they will say they don't say cursed and that is right - it is the easiest word to describe it). I knew Mr. Rogers was a better man than many elders in the congregation. I did not believe that he should become a JW to be saved.
Fred Rogers - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

And they really teach a Jehovah's Witness is only anyone who reports time spent in the ministry of preaching God's Word their way.

They declare anyone who has left their organization has left God and Jesus Christ too.

This is understand......

Do you agree with them that I am an apostate of God Almighty? Is it OK that they publish that I am an apostate of God Almighty?

No.... I do not agree. To me you are a person who does not agree with all of the JW religion.

...... Answer me this. Are you broken hearted?
Is there anything I can do or say?

 

[oldbadger]

I know what you mean. That isnt the sort of mentality a religion should advocate imo, but can be argued as scriptural. I am not fond of the verse in 1corinthians I think where it says its ok to put out your brethren and to not eat with sinners. Quite contrary to the mentality christ was pushing for.

There is a religious brotherhood (not JWs) in England who will not eat or drink with outsiders.
They are no good, imo.....

 

[savagewind]

I meant that I understood that you had written to the JW GB.

Yes. I don't know if they ever got the two letters.

OK. Let's look at Hamas Standards..... Muslim? Following standards layed down in the Koran? :no:

You made the rule that sticking with what one believes in is a good thing. Hamas might believe in getting rid of opposers one by one but the Jehovah's Witnesses believe it is God's job to get rid of them all in one day.

THey probably do respect your courage and honesty......

I should believe this, but I don't. The forum posters claiming JW status have given me no indication at all that they think I am honest. They are taught there is just one way of being honest, their way. Courage? Maybe some day. LOL

This is understand......
No.... I do not agree. To me you are a person who does not agree with all of the JW religion.

Yes, I believe in some of it. And I am going to tell you a secret. They might even be doing God's will. :yes:

...... Answer me this. Are you broken hearted?

I don't know. I haven't ever wondered if I am, until now.

Is there anything I can do or say?

Oh! Posting is nice! Thank you.

God bless you and the missus.

 

[oldbadger]

I don't know. I haven't ever wondered if I am, until now.

The JWs that I know have found enough to have faith in and then to trust in the guidance of the GB.
If you cannot let your difference-of-opinion or faith go then you must find another way. But earlier you wrote that their way is probably true (words to that effect) so on that premise you could return. You could.
Humility is a very big mountain that we all have to try and climb.

Oh! Posting is nice! Thank you.

God bless you and the missus.

Thankyou, Savage. Thankyou.

 

[savagewind]

The JWs that I know have found enough to have faith in and then to trust in the guidance of the GB.

I had faith in God even while I did not know Jesus. Meeting the Jehovah's Witnesses was not what cause faith in me.

If you cannot let your difference-of-opinion or faith go then you must find another way.

I have found a way. If Religious Education Forums goes away I shall find another way. Life is an exciting adventure walking with The Lord!

But earlier you wrote that their way is probably true (words to that effect)

There is something true about everything. Even Hamas. (please don't hit me)

so on that premise you could return..

I could. Will I? I hope not. If I went back I could not go door to door promoting that religion. I don't think their Jesus is real.

Humility is a very big mountain that we all have to try and climb

Yes. It's fun though! I am trying to move that mountain. If you ever wake up and notice it is gone think of me. OK?

Thankyou, Savage. Thankyou.

You are welcome!

 

[s2a]

I agree.

The responsiblity placed on all christians is to preach the good news of the kingdom. The WT organisation is the only christian organisation on earth devoted to helping us fulfill that requirement in harmony with the Bible.

Agreed. Kinda sorta anyway...

If people dont like the GB, then thats fine. But they should not let that interfere with their responsibility.... let them go and find another organisation who will support them in being a follower of Christ.

Again, we are agreed. So far...

And if they can't find another organisation then perhaps they need to take the view of the Apostle Peter who said... "Lord, to whom shall we go away to? You have sayings of everlasting life"

Well now... and whoa Nelly..

Let the naysayers go find their own path to Christ.... we have found one that fully supports us and keeps us spiritually alive. And we love them for their faithful adherence to Gods word and to Christs command.

Well, Halleluiah then.

So, is is OK with you if I knock upon your door at 4 pm and try to sell the notion that you are UTTERLY and COMPLETELY WRONG in your religious beliefs? You good with that when preparing dinner?

Ever ponder WHY "unbelievers and atheists" don't evince such behaviors and interruptions upon your door? EVER? Is it the lack of appealing cologne? Those missing vestiges of youth with name badges and uniform-like appearance on bicycles?

Is evident sweat the best measure of piety and true belief?

Hmmm.

I guess it all depends upon what you are selling...and whom your wish is in the market to buy sight unseen...

Show me again how well that vacuum really sucks...