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Stormcry

Well-Known Member
Aupmanyav said:
Why did Sankara not accept Ishwara at the Paramarthika level.

This is the reason why other Advaitians want to argue with you. They think that you are presenting wrong picture of Shankara's Advaita. They think it's Advaita + Buddhism. Here you said God is not Supreme Brahman (God is not true) indicating flavor of Buddhism. But this isn't true as per Adi Shankara's gita Bhashya.

As per Bhagavad Gita bhashya of Adi Shankara, Ishwara is at Parmarthika level. In Bhagavad Gita, Vishnu says " Those who thinks unmanifested me as having manifested don't know my supreme nature" Form and formless don't reside in Brahman. Though Ishwara takes Avatara in form, he is not bound by that form. He's still beyond form. Advaita itself means no difference. So who can see difference between Form and formless ? So there's nothing wrong in calling god as Supreme Brahman. Veda praises his both Saguna and Nirguna rupa. Scriptures prescribe two worships - Nirguna & Saguna. Both leads to ultimate goal and Adi Shankara never denied the worship of Saguna Bramh. The path is like from Saguna to Nirguna & the insight is seeing Nirguna in Saguna or even both in each other .

Hare Krishna hari govinda
 
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ShivaFan

Satyameva Jayate
Premium Member
Namaste

A sense of humor is symbiotic to Hindu Forums. That should be one of the (sub)-rules for any Hindu Forum - that you must have a sense of humor or be banned.

No sense of humor, then you cannot be a Hindu. Because to be a Hindu, means everyone is their own Hindu within a 5 mile radius of their local Hinduisms, and being thus second nature that we are always "fighting" with each other (this is duty or dharma) because we each differ from the other and are like an arc full of one pair of animals from every set, the number one quality of "What is a Hindu?" is "To be a Hindu, means you must have a sense of humor".

Otherwise go away, no way can you live with even yourself for 5 minutes. So a rule should read, "If you post to a Hindu forum for 7 posts or more, but have not demonstrated a sense of humor, you are put on restriction. Upon the 9th post of no sense of humor, you are banned. "

Being a Hindu also means getting things done. You cannot do that in Hinduism if you cannot be a comedian even in a gentle way. All the Gurus have proven this. Otherwise nothing gets done, and hands wave, fingers waggle and fists shake, people (especially Didi Maas) yagga yagga yagga wave that "brush the fly" stroke of the hand and slight frown on one side of the mouth and head ****, and debates will never end, only free food cooked by the same Didi Maa will stop it, you better eat all of it.

When Hinduism consists of one leader and 3 billion followers, it will no longer be Hindu.

Om Namah Sivaya
 

ratikala

Istha gosthi
namaskaram Aupmanyav ji :namaste

Ratikala, I am not that loving and patient.

now hearing this I am very sad :(

and me thinks it is about time you become loving and patient because I canot bear to think that you have so much missunderstood the Buddhas teachings .

I know where they are coming from, and I know the why also.
you know ? or you have assumed that you know ?

But that is not my way. Buddha is my guru. Why did he not accept atma or Paramatma? Why did Sankara not accept Ishwara at the Paramarthika level.
even here you impute the undestanding you wish to find on both Buddha and Adi Shankaracharia ,

In the same way there are things that I can in no way accept.I will blame Buddha and Kalama Sutta for that.
here there is a very great possibility that you are using the Kalama sutta to support your own arguement ...

It does not allow me to ditto teachers and scriptures where I differ in my views, whoever or whichever they are.
Kalama sutta suggests that we examine everything it is not giving you an '' allowed to '' and a 'not allowed to' , what Buddha is suggesting is much more subtle he is saying examine everything and when you find it to be true you accept it ..... he did not say argue the point of your realisation with others ...after all your realisations may be incomplete and another may come to another realisation .....only Buddha who has complete realisation is qualified to do this .....but because he is a fully realised soul he finds a far superior method to approach others , this is called skillfull means :)

Otherwise also, the discussions were futile, leading nowhere - so the best is to put an end to them. There is no objection from my side for different views, I thought that others also will be equally accommodating, but I was unfortunately wrong.
there are many times here when I feel like I am trying to carry water in a sive because the person to whom I am replying dosent allways want to listen , but from these futile conversations come conversations with others that are worthwhile , thus we should discuss what appears to us as important without the wish for any particular result , we should do what we belive to be our dharma without any form of attatchment .

But what I realy dont understand .... if you wish to ignore some one , you just ignore them , you do not even need an ignore button .... so why start a thread about ignoring people ???

it could be taken as just another thread which relys upon contention for its own existance ???

Why ? ...what does it acheive ?

let us reflect upon the words of Bhaja Govindam ....( the Hammer which shatters all illusion )......

Lord Vishnu resides in me, in you and in everything else, so your anger is meaningless . If you wish to attain the eternal status of Vishnu, practice equanimity all the time, in all the things.॥24॥

Try not to win the love of your friends, brothers, relatives and son(s) or to fight with your enemies. See yourself in everyone and give up ignorance of duality everywhere.॥25॥

Give up desires, anger, greed and delusion. Ponder over your real nature . Those devoid of the knowledge of self come in this world, a hidden hell, endlessly.॥26॥

Sing thousand glories of Lord Vishnu, constantly remembering his form in your heart. Enjoy the company of noble people and do charity for the poor and the needy.॥27॥

Do pranayam, the regulation of life forces, take proper food, constantly distinguish the permanent from the fleeting, Chant the holy names of God with love and meditate,with attention, with utmost attention.॥30॥

Be dependent only on the lotus feet of your Guru and get salvation from this world. Through disciplined senses and mind, you can see the indwelling Lord of your heart !॥31॥

Thus through a deluded grammarian lost in memorizing rules of the grammar, the all knowing Sri Shankara motivated his disciples for enlightenment.॥32॥

O deluded minded friend, chant Govinda, worship Govinda, love Govinda as there is no other way to cross the life's ocean except lovingly remembering the holy names of God.॥33॥
 

ratikala

Istha gosthi
Namaste

A sense of humor is symbiotic to Hindu Forums. That should be one of the (sub)-rules for any Hindu Forum - that you must have a sense of humor or be banned.....


......So a rule should read, "If you post to a Hindu forum for 7 posts or more, but have not demonstrated a sense of humor, you are put on restriction. Upon the 9th post of no sense of humor, you are banned. "

jai jai shiva fan ji :)

a little lightness certainly helps , especialy not taking oneself too too seriously :)


When Hinduism consists of one leader and 3 billion followers, it will no longer be Hindu.

Om Namah Sivaya

:)
 
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