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Have you ever found a single bug in Islam?

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loverOfTruth

Well-Known Member
LuisDantas said:
A reasonable person would not call be a sinner simply because I disbelieve in God, without regarding who I actually am and what I actually do.

Islam, according to Muslims that I doubt to be mistaken on this matter, states outright that according to God as expressed by way of the Quran, I am such a sinner anyhow.

Therefore, if Islam is true, God is somehow more flawed than the average person.

But if that is of course an even more serious absurd.

Therefore, either I am lying or Islam is wrong.

And I am not lying.
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Let's talk reason and common sense ... shall we ?

#1 : Allah(God) knows best about His creation, and He will never treat anyone unfairly and unjustly.

#2 "Whoever is guided is only guided for [the benefit of] his soul. And whoever errs only errs against it. And no bearer of burdens will bear the burden of another. And never would We punish until We sent a messenger." (Al Qur'an 17:15)

A person who has never heard of Islam or the Prophet SAWS (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him), and who has never heard the message in its correct and true form, will not be punished by Allah if he dies in a state of disbelief

#3 To you something else might be a bigger sin, but to God(according to the Qur'an) associating partners with Allah(God) in His lordship is the biggest sin.
"O my son! join not in worship (others) with Allah: for false worship is indeed the highest wrong-doing." (Al Qur'an 31:13)

So if you are going to use Qur'an to prove Islam false, at least go by the definitions stated there in.

#4 Imagine you tell your dad that I don't believe you are my father and I am not going to obey you. What is he going to do ? He's going to kick you out of his house instantly. At least God is letting you live and enjoy this life and still giving you an opportunity to mend your ways and turn to Him.


#5 So essentially all I hear is your emotional whining that you don't wanna accept God and do not want to follow Him but you don't want to be punished either for denying Him and all the blessings that He bestowed upon you. You know what ? That wouldn't be fair to all those who believed in Him and obeyed Him day in/day out for the duration of their life.

Peace.
 
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Truthisnotyourenemy

Member
loverOfTruth said:
Let's talk reason and common sense ... shall we ?

#1 : Allah(God) knows best about His creation, and He will never treat anyone unfairly and unjustly.

#2 "Whoever is guided is only guided for [the benefit of] his soul. And whoever errs only errs against it. And no bearer of burdens will bear the burden of another. And never would We punish until We sent a messenger." (Al Qur'an 17:15)

A person who has never heard of Islam or the Prophet SAWS (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him), and who has never heard the message in its correct and true form, will not be punished by Allah if he dies in a state of disbelief

#3 To you something else might be a bigger sin, but to God(according to the Qur'an) associating partners with Allah(God) in His lordship is the biggest sin.
"O my son! join not in worship (others) with Allah: for false worship is indeed the highest wrong-doing." (Al Qur'an 31:13)

So if you are going to use Qur'an to prove Islam false, at least go by the definitions stated there in.

#4 Imagine you tell your dad that I don't believe you are my father and I am not going to obey you. What is he going to do ? He's going to kick you out of his house instantly. At least God is letting you live and enjoy this life and still giving you an opportunity to mend your ways and turn to Him.


#5 So essentially all I hear is your emotional whining that you don't wanna accept God and do not want to follow Him but you don't want to be punished either for denying Him and all the blessings that He bestowed upon you. You know what ? That wouldn't be fair to all those who believed in Him and obeyed Him day in/day out for the duration of their life.

Peace.
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So by that logic if Christianity is true, you agree that you deserve to go to hell?!
 
technomage

technomage

Finding my own way
loverOfTruth said:
Sure (but that's a big big IF) ;)... there can only be one Truth.
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While I agree that the statement "There can only be one Truth: is logically accurate, I fear that the presence of schism within Islam indicates that Islam is just as fallible as any other religion, philosophy, or moral outlook.
 
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loverOfTruth

Well-Known Member
technomage said:
While I agree that the statement "There can only be one Truth: is logically accurate, I fear that the presence of schism within Islam indicates that Islam is just as fallible as any other religion, philosophy, or moral outlook.
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The differences are in practices/rituals not major belief unlike other religions/philosophies etc. For example, every Muslim believe that there is only One God and that Prophet Muhammad(pbuh) is the last messenger and that the Qur'an is the divine verbatim word of God and that there's day of judgement + heaven/hell. Not to mention sometimes those differences are considered good (not always though). But there's difference in every spectrum of life - that doesn't make it fallible.
 
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Penumbra

Penumbra

Veteran Member
Premium Member
loverOfTruth said:
Absolutely - it is more rational than any other system in place.
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Out of curiosity, which religious texts have you read in full, and which belief systems have you studied in depth, before determining that?

Because personally I found Islam to be one of the least rational.
 
gnostic

gnostic

The Lost One
farrukh said:
against science?
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Islam is not against "science", but is not also for "science", because nothing in the Qur'an contain anything that has to do with "science".

What we called "Islamic science", is the history of Muslims discovering new fields of science (including technology) or rediscovering old science, during the mid-8th century to the mid-13th century. This is the time of Islam's "golden age" in science and in mathematics.

These men - Muslim scientists - deserved all the credits in their contributions to science. The Qur'an itself have nothing to contribute to science.

Today, we have Muslims who shamelessly tried to manipulate specific verses in the Qur'an, in order to fit the verse into science, by twisting meanings or contexts of the verses around, so they can take credits for the Qur'an of these so-called "scientific miracles".

This is not science, but willful propaganda and shameful deceptions, perpetrated by some Muslims. These (some) Muslims are not interested in the truth, but in manipulating the truth.

The Qur'an is not a book of science. It never was.

farrukh said:
against moral values?
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As to moral, some teachings of it are still universal, and still have value, today. But other teachings are archaic and barbaric, and have no place today.

Truthisnotyourenemy has already listed some of the errors (with regarding to science) or outdated teachings (with regarding to morality or ethics).
 
McBell

McBell

mantra-chanting henotheistic snake handler
loverOfTruth said:
Let's talk reason and common sense ... shall we ?
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Good idea.

loverOfTruth said:
#1 : Allah(God) knows best about His creation, and He will never treat anyone unfairly and unjustly.

#2 "Whoever is guided is only guided for [the benefit of] his soul. And whoever errs only errs against it. And no bearer of burdens will bear the burden of another. And never would We punish until We sent a messenger." (Al Qur'an 17:15)

A person who has never heard of Islam or the Prophet SAWS (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him), and who has never heard the message in its correct and true form, will not be punished by Allah if he dies in a state of disbelief

#3 To you something else might be a bigger sin, but to God(according to the Qur'an) associating partners with Allah(God) in His lordship is the biggest sin.
"O my son! join not in worship (others) with Allah: for false worship is indeed the highest wrong-doing." (Al Qur'an 31:13)

So if you are going to use Qur'an to prove Islam false, at least go by the definitions stated there in.

#4 Imagine you tell your dad that I don't believe you are my father and I am not going to obey you. What is he going to do ? He's going to kick you out of his house instantly. At least God is letting you live and enjoy this life and still giving you an opportunity to mend your ways and turn to Him.


#5 So essentially all I hear is your emotional whining that you don't wanna accept God and do not want to follow Him but you don't want to be punished either for denying Him and all the blessings that He bestowed upon you. You know what ? That wouldn't be fair to all those who believed in Him and obeyed Him day in/day out for the duration of their life.

Peace.
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Let me know when you are ready to start talking reason and common sense...
 
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loverOfTruth

Well-Known Member
Penumbra said:
Out of curiosity, which religious texts have you read in full, and which belief systems have you studied in depth, before determining that?
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Enough to understand Christianity, Judaism, Hinduism and Atheism.

Penumbra said:
Because personally I found Islam to be one of the least rational.
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That doesn't surprise me cause everyone is different and comes with a different mind set. However, all the converts to Islam stories I have seen, they tell a different story. Take, for example, IVY League educated American Atheist who converted to Islam. About Dr. Brown | LevelTruth.com

You can see more stories here : Converts Reverts and The Deen Show

And these people range from the entire spectrum of educational, religious, national backgrounds.
 
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loverOfTruth

Well-Known Member
Truthisnotyourenemy said:
To claim Islam is 100% true is indicative of your insecurities and the fear Islam holds over you.
In other words you're delusional as far as Islam is concerned.
To claim Islam is definitely true is completely irrational.
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It would be a huge waste of time to follow something you don't believe in completely.
 
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