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lewisnotmiller

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Pegg said:
sustenance means to sustain or nourish, yes.

Isnt that the same thing when blood is injected into someone...the purpose for the injection is to nourish and sustain them.

I dont see a difference with eating it or injecting it. It has the same purpose. No one eats it because it tastes good.
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Black pudding disagrees...
Which is completely unimportant, but this thread seemed to require some levity.
 
Me Myself

Me Myself

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Pegg said:
The bible says his blood is for forgiveness....which is quite different to sustenance in this context.
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Why?

Blood provides sustenance regardless. By your logic, th ose that like the taste of blood can eat it because even though they are letting it be sustenance, that is not the reason they eat.

Also, meat always has blood in it,even if only microscopic remnants of it.
 
Gjallarhorn

Gjallarhorn

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savagewind said:
Faith is linked to hope not to knowing. There is nothing wrong with hope. There is a big difference between "we know this will be" and "we hope this will be".
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Might want to explain that to the faithful. If I had a dollar for every time I've heard or read "I know God exists, but it's a matter of faith not evidence" I'd be making out better than the mega-chapels.
 
savagewind

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Gjallarhorn said:
Might want to explain that to the faithful. If I had a dollar for every time I've heard or read "I know God exists, but it's a matter of faith not evidence" I'd be making out better than the mega-chapels.
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We weren't talking about anyone's existence. We were talking about what will be future from now. OK?

They believe God will do something or other because they think they know. That is a whole lot of assumption.
 
Jeremy Mason

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JayJayDee said:
JM, I'm sorry, but that was a really lame answer. We all know that the first paradise was right here on earth. It is where God intended humans to live forever. What does "not here" mean?

Where does it say in the Bible that Adam and his wife would die and go to heaven as a natural consequence of being created? What was the only cause of death mentioned in the garden? As perfect beings, the first humans would not get sick, grow old or die UNLESS they disobeyed the only command that would lead to death.

How long did God intend humans to live on earth? What was the tree of life for?

Here's a clue....."Jehovah God then said: “Here the man has become like one of us in knowing good and bad. Now in order that he may not put his hand out and take fruit also from the tree of life and eat and live forever, —” With that Jehovah God expelled him from the garden of E′den to cultivate the ground from which he had been taken. So he drove the man out, and he posted at the east of the garden of E′den the cherubs and the flaming blade of a sword that was turning continuously to guard the way to the tree of life." (Gen 3:22-24)

Why was the way to the tree of life barred?

Please think about it......?
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First, reconcile Gen:1 and Gen. 2

Genesis 1 NIV - The Beginning - In the beginning God - Bible Gateway

Genesis 2 NIV - Thus the heavens and the earth were - Bible Gateway
 
Pegg

Pegg

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Jeremy Mason said:
First, reconcile Gen:1 and Gen. 2

Genesis 1 NIV - The Beginning - In the beginning God - Bible Gateway

Genesis 2 NIV - Thus the heavens and the earth were - Bible Gateway
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Hi jeremy,
Its very easy to reconcile the two accounts.

The first is specifically a description of the process of the entire creation event from the earths creation to the creation of the first man.

The second is more specifically the story of Adam and Eve from their creation and what happened to them thereafter.
 
JayJayDee

JayJayDee

Avid JW Bible Student
lewisnotmiller said:
Black pudding disagrees...
Which is completely unimportant, but this thread seemed to require some levity.
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Blood sausage was what the Romans tempted the early Christians with. They starved them and then offered them something they knew was against their religious beliefs to eat. Nice eh?

Attempt at levity duly noted however.....:D
 
JayJayDee

JayJayDee

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Jeremy Mason said:
First, reconcile Gen:1 and Gen. 2

Genesis 1 NIV - The Beginning - In the beginning God - Bible Gateway

Genesis 2 NIV - Thus the heavens and the earth were - Bible Gateway
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Gen 1:1, 2 "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. 2 Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters."



Gen 2:1-4 "Thus the heavens and the earth were completed in all their vast array.

2 By the seventh day God had finished the work he had been doing; so on the seventh day he rested from all his work. 3 Then God blessed the seventh day and made it holy, because on it he rested from all the work of creating that he had done.

This is the account of the heavens and the earth when they were created, when the Lord God made the earth and the heavens."

As Pegg has said, one account is about the order of creation from the beginning, whilst the other is a history of what happened in relation to Adam and his wife.

What is to reconcile?
 
Gjallarhorn

Gjallarhorn

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savagewind said:
We weren't talking about anyone's existence. We were talking about what will be future from now. OK?

They believe God will do something or other because they think they know. That is a whole lot of assumption.
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I was speaking in general about pretending to know things. Applies in either case.
 
Jeremy Mason

Jeremy Mason

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Pegg said:
Hi jeremy,
Its very easy to reconcile the two accounts.

The first is specifically a description of the process of the entire creation event from the earths creation to the creation of the first man.

The second is more specifically the story of Adam and Eve from their creation and what happened to them thereafter.
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Genesis 1 has people being created on the sixth and Genesis 2:4 has Adam, being created on the first day.

Were there people before Adam?
 
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