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Do Christians love Jews and other questions?

Trampus

New Member
1. Do Christians love Jews
2. Is the God in Judaism and Christianity the same?
3. Will the Jews be saved after death , from a christian perspective
4. Why don´t the Jews believe in Jesus
5. Who-when will the Messiah come for the Jews
6. Why do the xians follow the OT when it is the book of another religion

plenty more, hopefully some answers can be had, thanks:)
 

Trampus

New Member
How do you mean that Jesus did not ´fulfill the Messianic prophecies´, in what way for instance?

thanks
 

Shermana

Heretic
Because he did not fulfill the messianic prophecies.

According to the Rabbinical interpretation of such, as well as determination of what the prophecies are supposed to be in the first place.

It is important to recognize the difference between the "Rabbinical/"Normative Judaism" understanding of the Prophecies, and what the text says, and the idea that they're not exactly as clear cut as many would like to think, as well as the fact that we don't know which verses are and aren't a Messianic prophetic interpretation, if they are poetic and hyperbole, if they are to be fulfilled over a very long period of time or not, and what the exact meaning of them, or even the exact translation of them in the first place is.
 
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ChristineES

Tiggerism
Premium Member
I can't answer all the questions and I can only answer the questions that I can answer in my point of view.

1. Do Christians love Jews
I can't speak for all Christians, but as a Christians with Jewish ancestry, I feel the same about Jews as I do Christians.
2. Is the God in Judaism and Christianity the same?
I believe so it's the same G-d.
3. Will the Jews be saved after death , from a Christian perspective
I believe they are still G-d's chosen people and that has never changed. In fact, I believe that Jesus did not start any new religion.
 

ChristineES

Tiggerism
Premium Member
6. Why do the Christians follow the OT when it is the book of another religion

Everything that Jesus taught is included in the Tanakh (what you call the OT). Jesus was a Jew. It is translated differently (So I've heard).
 

Akivah

Well-Known Member
1. Do Christians love Jews
Only if we change our beliefs to match theirs. Otherwise, they dislike us.

2. Is the God in Judaism and Christianity the same?
Remember that Christians have three names for their gods.
If Christians worship jesus or the holy ghost, then no.
If Christians worship G-d, then yes.

3. Will the Jews be saved after death , from a christian perspective
I've been told by missionaries that I won't, since I won't worship their idol.

4. Why don´t the Jews believe in Jesus
None of the prophecies are fulfilled. We can't identify who the future messiah is, until the prophecies are fulfilled. It's like trying to identify someone as the President of the US before he finishes grade school.

5. Who-when will the Messiah come for the Jews
We don't know. But the person that brings peace to the world and rebuilds the Temple will be extremely obvious.

6. Why do the xians follow the OT when it is the book of another religion

Probably because they want to write their own rules.

Lots of answers are available, but they are all rejected.
 
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Boyd

Member
1. Do Christians love Jews
My perspective on this is coming from being a Jew; however, I can say that within my experience, there are many Christians who accept and love Jews. Some of my best friends are Christian ministers, who even though we have theological differences, still see each other nearly as family.

At the same time, there are those Christians who dislike or even hate Jews. So there is no easy yes or no answer to this question.
2. Is the God in Judaism and Christianity the same?
Yes and no. The same basic concept of G-d is the same for both Judaism and Christianity. However, Christianity (or some branches) also accept a trinitarian view of God, which is not the same as the Jewish view. So while G-d is same for both religions, the perspective each has regarding G-d is different.
3. Will the Jews be saved after death , from a christian perspective
I can't say from a personal view point. However, this is a discussion I have gotten into with different Christian ministers, and in the more liberal churches, I would say that they accept that Jews will be saved after death. Now, this concept differs between Christianity and Judaism, and my own personal view often differs as well, but I do find it a decent step forward for many churches to accept that Jews are not destined to the Christian hell.
4. Why don´t the Jews believe in Jesus
As a Jew, I believe that Jesus was a Jewish teacher, who died a horrible death. However, he was not the Jewish messiah. I would be okay with calling him the Christian messiah, but that is a very different idea. The reason that he failed being the messiah is that he did not fulfill the messianic prophecies. That is why Jews do not accept Jesus as the messiah.
5. Who-when will the Messiah come for the Jews
Not all Jews are looking for a messiah. For those who are, it is not known who or when the messiah will come.
6. Why do the xians follow the OT when it is the book of another religion
Again, this is coming from a Jewish perspective; however, it is a perspective that has taught Christian history as well as courses on Christianity. The Hebrew Bible, or OT, is not a book of another religion according to Christians. It is the work in which their religion is founded upon. Since Christianity arose out of Judaism (with Jesus, the disciples, and Paul all being Jews), the Hebrew Bible was an important document in which their faith was founded on.
 

ChristineES

Tiggerism
Premium Member
Only if we change our beliefs to match theirs. Otherwise, they dislike us.

I can assure that nearly all Christians I've known did not dislike Jews, even when there beliefs didn't match ours.
 

Benoni

Well-Known Member
It was God's will the Jews killed Jesus. So what is there to be angry with. If any Chrsitian hates jews then it is from ignorance and a false religious belief.
 

ChristineES

Tiggerism
Premium Member
I've never understood any kind of bigotry. Hating someone just because of their race, their religion, their sexual preference, their way of life, their political beliefs, etc absolutely never made any sense to me at all.
 

Boyd

Member
It was God's will the Jews killed Jesus. So what is there to be angry with. If any Chrsitian hates jews then it is from ignorance and a false religious belief.

If I may just interject. It was not the Jews who killed Jesus. It was the Romans who killed Jesus.
 

Trampus

New Member
So this is a seemingly logical paradox here.

Because if the Christian God is Jesus, then someone not believing in Him must be some kind of disbeliever, yet the Jews do not believe he is god. Therefore the Christians cannot really accept the Jews as followers of (the Christian) God, yet they make use of the Hebrew Bible.

So which one is right?
 

Boyd

Member
So this is a seemingly logical paradox here.

Because if the Christian God is Jesus, then someone not believing in Him must be some kind of disbeliever, yet the Jews do not believe he is god. Therefore the Christians cannot really accept the Jews as followers of (the Christian) God, yet they make use of the Hebrew Bible.

So which one is right?
It isn't really a paradox. The Christian god is not Jesus. G-d is the god of both Jews and Christians. Instead, Jesus is a facet of G-d, or a part of G-d. While a Christian may say that Jesus is G-d, Jews reject that facet.

However, in Judaism, there are also different facets of G-d. There is Divine Wisdom, or the Spirit of G-d.
 

Akivah

Well-Known Member
So this is a seemingly logical paradox here.

Because if the Christian God is Jesus, then someone not believing in Him must be some kind of disbeliever, yet the Jews do not believe he is god. Therefore the Christians cannot really accept the Jews as followers of (the Christian) God, yet they make use of the Hebrew Bible.

So which one is right?

That accounts for the historical persection of the Jews for centuries. Their religion is purported to come from ours. Yet we who we there when their man was allegedly living and properly rejected him, is something that is offensive to Christians. So they have taken our bible and mangled it and then appended another bible to it, to prove their beliefs. The Christian OT is NOT the same as the Hebrew Bible.
 
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