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There's no such thing as the "war on women"

Dirty Penguin

Dirty Penguin

Master Of Ceremony
InChrist said:
Well, as a believer in the biblical scriptures as God's Word I draw the line at the revealed information that humans are made in the image of God animals aren't, but that is my perspective.
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I can respect that even though I'm a non-believer.

I'm interested in if some feel as though it's murder to crack open a hen or ostrich egg for breakfast.....This is kind of what I mean by where is the line drawn....

How different is the hen egg from embryo/fetus...?
 
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InChrist

InChrist

Free4ever
dust1n said:
So God murders a baby, "righteous." Woman murders a baby, "immoral."

I thought God did things because the things he did were right. I can see now that there is no "right," because "right" just means whatever God does.
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According to the scriptures God is Holy and righteous. He cannot do anything that is immoral or unholy. So if He allows a baby to die in the womb there are 'right" reasons for it happening. You or I cannot always understand those reasons because we are finite in our knowledge of all the circumstances while God has infinite wisdom and sees the future of each person.
 
Dirty Penguin

Dirty Penguin

Master Of Ceremony
Alceste said:
Sure, and if my mother had not chosen to have me, I would never have existed, nobody would miss me, and I couldn't be sad about it. In some strange world where you could exist even if you were never born in the first place, I would have completely supported her decision to abort me and my brother if she'd wanted to. She was only 22, just married, depressed, far from home, and her husband was / is bipolar and cheated on her during her pregnancy. I love my mother and want her to be happy, and I think she might have been much, much, much better off if she'd waited to start a family and left my dad. She's beautiful, intelligent, kind, funny and loved by everyone who meets her. But she's spent her entire adult life babysitting a man who really can't offer her a thing, just because he's the father of her kids.

She once apologized to me for choosing him, if you can believe that. I had to tell her it doesn't work like that. If she'd picked somebody else, I would never have existed in the first place, so she had nothing to apologize for.
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Sounds a heck of a lot like my mom......
 
InChrist

InChrist

Free4ever
Dirty Penguin said:
I can respect that even though I'm a non-believer.

I'm interested in if some feel as though it's murder to crack open a hen or ostrich egg for breakfast.....This is kind of what I mean by where is the line drawn....

How different is the hen egg from embryo/fetus...?
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Like I said previously, my perspective is based on the scriptures which say that humans are made in the image of God, a hen or ostrich is not, so it's not murder IMO to eat a chicken egg,
 
Alceste

Alceste

Vagabond
InChrist said:
Like I said previously, my perspective is based on the scriptures which say that humans are made in the image of God, a hen or ostrich is not, so it's not murder IMO to eat a chicken egg,
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Is it slaughter? That's the correct word for killing mature poultry. Do you extend that to eating eggs?
 
dust1n

dust1n

Zindīq
InChrist said:
According to the scriptures God is Holy and righteous. He cannot do anything that is immoral or unholy. So if He allows a baby to die in the womb there are 'right" reasons for it happening. You or I cannot always understand those reasons because we are finite in our knowledge of all the circumstances while God has infinite wisdom and sees the future of each person.
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Right, God can murder a baby, and it's not immoral because God did it and not someone else; in fact, it's righteous, for reasons I can't possibly understand.

I don't think we disagree about that.
 
InChrist

InChrist

Free4ever
Alceste said:
Sure, and if my mother had not chosen to have me, I would never have existed, nobody would miss me, and I couldn't be sad about it. In some strange world where you could exist even if you were never born in the first place, I would have completely supported her decision to abort me and my brother if she'd wanted to. She was only 22, just married, depressed, far from home, and her husband was / is bipolar and cheated on her during her pregnancy. I love my mother and want her to be happy, and I think she might have been much, much, much better off if she'd waited to start a family and left my dad. She's beautiful, intelligent, kind, funny and loved by everyone who meets her. But she's spent her entire adult life babysitting a man who really can't offer her a thing, just because he's the father of her kids.

She once apologized to me for choosing him, if you can believe that. I had to tell her it doesn't work like that. If she'd picked somebody else, I would never have existed in the first place, so she had nothing to apologize for.
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Well. I am sorry to hear about the situation your mom has dealt with, especially the cheating aspect. Nevertheless, my view is that the answer is to choose life over death. I'm not saying it means easier circumstances, but I believe it results in something more profound. Your mom may have just spent her life babysitting a bipolar husband in your eyes. You may see it as of no value or as a loss to her, but I see sacrificial love, commitment, loyalty, perseverance and other valuable qualities that many people do not demonstrate.
 
InChrist

InChrist

Free4ever
dust1n said:
Right, God can murder a baby, and it's not immoral because God did it and not someone else; in fact, it's righteous, for reasons I can't possibly understand.

I don't think we disagree about that.
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God does not murder.

I think we are in disagreement.
 
Alceste

Alceste

Vagabond
InChrist said:
Well. I am sorry to hear about the situation your mom has dealt with, especially the cheating aspect. Nevertheless, my view is that the answer is to choose life over death. I'm not saying it means easier circumstances, but I believe it results in something more profound. Your mom may have just spent her life babysitting a bipolar husband in your eyes. You may see it as of no value or as a loss to her, but I see sacrificial love, commitment, loyalty, perseverance and other valuable qualities that many people do not demonstrate.
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Oh, I'm sure many people see it that way, including my mom. Heck, even I see it that way. My dad got a really good deal. However, I see it the other way too, because I have experienced the alternative to getting stuck for life with a child (or more) and a man who offers you nothing at 21 because of an unplanned pregnancy. And it is wonderful. Really, truly wonderful. It saddens me my mother won't ever experience a real partnership, based in love, trust, respect, friendship, etc. perhaps unless my father kicks the bucket while she's still vibrant and healthy. She will never explore the world while she is in the prime of her life, with no debts or obligations waiting for her at home. She will probably never have a romantic holiday fling, or any kind of passionate, no-strings-attached romance that burns hot and fizzles out a few weeks or a few months later, with no regrets on either side.

Anyway, it's just sad all around, but your comment that you think women should always "choose life" affirms the necessity of having a choice in the first place, for which I respect you and your position.
 
Alceste

Alceste

Vagabond
dust1n said:
Sorry, God kills babies. There is nothing unlawful about it.
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Many pregnancies miscarry. Perhaps even a majority. A small minority of miscarriages are purposefully induced. If there is an omnipotent God then He is equally responsible for both categories of miscarriage, IMO. There has never been a time in history when some women (his creation) did not attempt to induce miscarriage due to an unplanned pregnancy. So it's either a design flaw or God, like me, doesn't think a parasitic glob of cells attached to a woman's uterus is a "child" either.
 
MysticSang'ha

MysticSang'ha

Big Squishy Hugger
Premium Member
InChrist said:
Yes, I understand the reasoning of the court. I also understand that there will always be women who choose to terminate their pregnancy and that the court was attempting to provide a way for the procedure to be available in a safe medical environment. I'm not big on legislating morality, although we as a society do legislate against murder and other moral crimes. I'm just saying that I believe it is murder to end a developing human life. Although, I realize and don't expect non-believers ( in the Creator God of life ) to have this perspective concerning life.
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That's cool. I can live with that. :yes:
 
InChrist

InChrist

Free4ever
Alceste said:
Is it slaughter? That's the correct word for killing mature poultry. Do you extend that to eating eggs?
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Most eggs sold in grocery stores are infertile so it isn't slaughter of developing poultry life. My hens have rooster around so it may slaughter in that case if you want to be technical. But from my perspective this is irrelevant to the subject because God gave animals to be food for humankind in the world in which we live today.
 
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