no condoms for college students

[bobhikes]

Sex is more than just a game it requires responsibility.

If students can buy, cigarettes, beer, or even snacks they can afford condoms. If they are willing to buy condemns they aren't ready for sex.

I wouldn't just give free cigarettes or beer or even unhealthy snacks to college kids why would I give them condoms.

I am for banning free condoms on all college campus's not just the catholic ones.

 

[Vinayaka]

Then it's time to consider migrating to more civilized lands.

If only the poor could migrate, I'm sure many would.

 

[dust1n]

Have you ever read a contract that didn't allow the organization to change the contracts agreement. The Boston College guide has such a statement. Some College board or something has final say on anything not in the contract. The contract does not specify anything about condoms so the College board(or what ever group it was) would have final say.

If you do decide to read it. It is quite large and refers you to different links when you wish to drill down.

Suffice it to say, I am not a lawyer but from what I know(having read the contract) they have the right to do what they are doing.

May I see that statement? Or get a reference to it, page number, what have ya.

 

[dust1n]

Sex is more than just a game it requires responsibility.

If students can buy, cigarettes, beer, or even snacks they can afford condoms. If they are willing to buy condemns they aren't ready for sex.

I wouldn't just give free cigarettes or beer or even unhealthy snacks to college kids why would I give them condoms.

I am for banning free condoms on all college campus's not just the catholic ones.

So your reasoning for banning free condoms is what exactly? I don't want to assume your argument, but why should they banned on all public campuses?

 

[Father Heathen]

Considering that it's a private religious school, it's not unreasonable to expect students to abide its tenets, keeping in mind that they chose to apply and attend rather than consider more suitable options. It's like attending a Hindu temple and then ******** about not being allowed to eat cheeseburgers within its halls.

 

[The Sum of Awe]

Considering that it's a private religious school, it's not unreasonable to expect students to abide its tenets, keeping in mind that they chose to apply and attend rather than consider more suitable options. It's like attending a Hindu temple and then ******** about not being allowed to eat cheeseburgers within its halls.

Perfectly well said!

 

[dust1n]

Considering that it's a private religious school, it's not unreasonable to expect students to abide its tenets, keeping in mind that they chose to apply and attend rather than consider more suitable options.

And considering students are generally paying a school many thousands of dollars, and much of their livelihood relies on completely a college program in a timely manner, it's not unreasonable to expect the college to explicitly state at the time of enrollment what exactly its tenets are and what its grounds for probation or expulsion are. It should be at least held liable and return all funds paid to the school, and should address the concerns in the future. It's not fair to essentially take what might be upwards of 40k dollars from someone because of a disagreement about what "Catholic values and traditions" are.

 

[Sunstone]

Regardless of whether the school has a right to ban condoms, banning condoms is a stupid policy.

 

[Vinayaka]

Kids are gonna do what kids are gonna do. Lust and intelligence make poor bedmates.

 

[bobhikes]

Regardless of whether the school has a right to ban condoms, banning condoms is a stupid policy.

The school is not banning condoms. It is banning free distribution on campus.

As I said if you read the article, they do not like them doing it on the public sidewalk outside the school but they take no action against them.



Dustin
As to the contract I took an hour reviewing it looking through the different links. It starts as the Boston College student guide you can google it. Just look for their policy for things not in the contract. Trust me you will find nothing mentioning condoms.

 

[bobhikes]

So your reasoning for banning free condoms is what exactly? I don't want to assume your argument, but why should they banned on all public campuses?

I am not against condoms at all. I am against giving them out for free to students.

Like smoking and drinking, sex is enjoyable and a responsibility. If the students don't learn this they will be worse off in life.

Having sex is more than having protected sex. There is far more involved. If you don't understand this we will never agree.

 

[Sunstone]

The school is not banning condoms. It is banning free distribution on campus.

I think that's more or less a minor quibble. You probably understood what I meant.

 

[Amechania]

I don't care how minor your quibble, it needs a rubber.

 

[dust1n]

Dustin
As to the contract I took an hour reviewing it looking through the different links. It starts as the Boston College student guide you can google it. Just look for their policy for things not in the contract. Trust me you will find nothing mentioning condoms.

I know, that's what I'm saying. The only point in the policy guide is that BC college supports "Catholic values and traditions." That's a matter of religious expression. BC college is not the authority on what Catholics and value and what falls within the traditional. And must of, it's vagueness holds no legal weight. You can't just make the rules as you go in a contract.

 

[dust1n]

I am not against condoms at all. I am against giving them out for free to students.

Like smoking and drinking, sex is enjoyable and a responsibility. If the students don't learn this they will be worse off in life.

Having sex is more than having protected sex. There is far more involved. If you don't understand this we will never agree.

So, and I'm trying to understand your argument here, your opinion is that free condoms shouldn't be given out on college campuses because it will encourage kids to not treat sex responsibly?

 

[MysticSang'ha]

So, and I'm trying to understand your argument here, your opinion is that free condoms shouldn't be given out on college campuses because it will encourage kids to not treat sex responsibly?

That's like saying that it's wrong for the local DMV to refrain from offering free installations of baby car seats since....you know...it's free and people should pay for this kind of responsibility if they take it on.

Obviously, if parents wish to go to the DMV and ask for the workers there to show them for free how to properly install a car seat for the safety of their infants and toddlers, it sure encourages them to not take their kids safety all that seriously.

Because it's free and easy to get.

Did I make that connection clear enough? It's free. Therefore only for the frivolous, irresponsible, and uncaring.

Makes PERFECT sense. :bonk:

 

[dust1n]

That's like saying that it's wrong for the local DMV to refrain from offering free installations of baby car seats since....you know...it's free and people should pay for this kind of responsibility if they take it on.

Obviously, if parents wish to go to the DMV and ask for the workers there to show them for free how to properly install a car seat for the safety of their infants and toddlers, it sure encourages them to not take their kids safety all that seriously.

Because it's free and easy to get.

Did I make that connection clear enough? It's free. Therefore only for the frivolous, irresponsible, and uncaring.

Makes PERFECT sense. :bonk:

I just can't even wrap my head around it. Is the growth of unwanted pregnancies and STD's, including AIDS, really worth the point, considering these things will ultimately cost society waaaay more money than free condoms ever will, and kids will have sex anyways? I just don't even get it.

And I really fail to see how passing out condoms does not qualify for free speech. Number one, they are only passed out on public property, and then they are distributed to dorms where they are left in envelopes.

What kind of disciplinary action, I wonder, is a BC student subject to if they left envelopes full of information about a baptist church, or about Islam, or about voting for the left, or information about the past corruption of the Catholic church. Those all run contrary to Catholic 'virtues' or whatever, yet those freedoms would be retained under free speech for students.



I'm still looking for MA's specific rules, but consider:

"In most states, court decisions have established that school policies, student handbooks, and other documents represent a contract between the college or university and the student. In other words, universities must deliver the rights they promise. Most campuses explicitly promise a high level of free speech and academic freedom, and some (including some of the most repressive in actual practice) do so in ringing language that would lead one to believe that they will protect their students' rights well beyond even constitutional requirements.

Since universities have the power to rewrite these contracts unilaterally, courts, to help achieve fairness, typically will interpret the rules in a student handbook or in other policies with an eye toward what meaning the school should reasonably expect students or parents to see in them. As a consequence, the university's interpretation of its handbook is much less important than the reasonable expectations of the student."

Yes, this is about PRIVATE universities.

Free Speech Rights On Private College Campuses - Publications - PAGE 2 - Know My Rights

 

[bobhikes]

That's like saying that it's wrong for the local DMV to refrain from offering free installations of baby car seats since....you know...it's free and people should pay for this kind of responsibility if they take it on.

Obviously, if parents wish to go to the DMV and ask for the workers there to show them for free how to properly install a car seat for the safety of their infants and toddlers, it sure encourages them to not take their kids safety all that seriously.

Because it's free and easy to get.

Did I make that connection clear enough? It's free. Therefore only for the frivolous, irresponsible, and uncaring.

Makes PERFECT sense. :bonk:

No its like me going to the DMV and giving out Free condoms(there's a lot of people there that it could help too). Does the DMV like the school had the right to stop me.

This is not a statement for protective sex. This is a statement of rights. Does the owner of a property have the right to decide what is done on the owners property or not. Personally I think the owner does. Apparently you don't

My personal opinion on condom use has no bearing on my stance here. I can think of lots of people that could use free condoms before Boston College Students. What this is and why its in the press, is an organized attack on religious freedom disguised as a helpful idea(it really isn't).

Why don't they send the condoms to people that really can't afford them or places where Aids and other STD's is high. Maybe they are more concerned about other things then the poor Boston College Students. I really feel bad and worried for them.:sorry1:

 

[Father Heathen]

Regardless of whether the school has a right to ban condoms, banning condoms is a stupid policy.

Of course it is, but it's a catholic school, so what do the students expect?

 

[dust1n]

No its like me going to the DMV and giving out Free condoms(there's a lot of people there that it could help too). Does the DMV like the school had the right to stop me.

This is not a statement for protective sex. This is a statement of rights. Does the owner of a property have the right to decide what is done on the owners property or not. Personally I think the owner does. Apparently you don't

My personal opinion on condom use has no bearing on my stance here. I can think of lots of people that could use free condoms before Boston College Students. What this is and why its in the press, is an organized attack on religious freedom disguised as a helpful idea(it really isn't).

Why don't they send the condoms to people that really can't afford them or places where Aids and other STD's is high. Maybe they are more concerned about other things then the poor Boston College Students. I really feel bad and worried for them.:sorry1:

Actually, you can at the DMV, because the DMV is 'the government' and the government must respect free speech.

Number one, people do send condoms to countries combating AID's. Number two, if I went to Boston College, no, apparently I couldn't set up a "Condom Relief Operation," raise money on campus, and then send condoms to Africa. That would still be against "Catholic virtues and traditions."


And do you plan on ever answering my question as to why free condoms should be banned on college campuses? Or when it became legal for Boston College to suddenly change its contracts with students to whatever it likes on a whim? Or where in the student book it say it reserves the rights to change anything about student book as a student progresses?