"Who really cares about the Palestinians"?

[Shermana]

Who Really Cares About the Palestinians? | Mitchell Bard | Ops & Blogs | The Times of Israel

Is the following statement true?

no one really cares about the Palestinians – unless Jews are involved.

Are Palestinians only cared about when Jews are doing the "oppressing?"

Why are there no cries about the Palestinian treatment in any place but Israel? Why does no one care about the fact that they are contained in refugee camps without any hope of being nationalized (or allowed to live lives as more than third-class denizens), even temporarily until a solution is formed of a state for them?

Is it arguable that "West Bank" Palestinians have much better lives even with their Security walls and segregated areas than those scattered in the Refugee camps?

Why is the slaughter of Palestinians in Syria and the refusal to accept refugees into Jordan not even a slightly important issue to the anti-Zionist crowd?

With the slaughter in Syria, Palestinians can see who their real friends are, and most are not the ones they expect.

Some may argue because the root of the problem is in Israel, but why is their plight not even a concern elsewhere for the time being?

Why did no one really want the Palestinians to have their own state in Gaza and the West Bank when they were ruled by Egypt and Jordan?

From 1949 until 1967, Egypt could have given Gaza to the Palestinians for a state, just as the Jordanians could have created a Palestinian state in the West Bank. Neither did, but no one in the world cared because the Palestinians were not interested in a state and the occupiers were Arabs.

Why was there no outcry when Kuwait ousted 300,000 Palestinians, but plenty of outcry during the hostile actions of the so-called "Sabra and Shatilla massacre"? Why was Israel blamed for that one when it was the Phalangists who did that? Because they are the so-called root of the problem?

Yet another example of the disinterest toward the Palestinians occurred when Kuwait expelled 300,000 Palestinians for supporting Iraq’s invasion of Kuwait. This made no headlines and generated no UN resolutions.
The world was only concerned with the killing of Palestinian refugees in the Sabra and Shatilla refugee camps in Lebanon because Jews were in the vicinity. The murderers were Lebanese Christians; nevertheless, it was Israel that was blamed.

Why is it that when Jews engage in hostilities with Arabs it is front page news which begets a battle of belligerent opinions, but when its Arabs vs Arabs slaughtering each other in far larger, even porportionately larger numbers, it's business as usual with nary a peep?

Another inconvenient truth is that the world is indifferent to Arabs slaughtering Arabs. We continue to see this in Iraq, Egypt, Libya, Yemen and other Arab countries. The usual explanation is essentially a racist one; that is, Arabs are expected to behave in this way whereas Jews are held to a higher standard and that is why their involvement merits worldwide attention.

Is it fair to say that there is a clear, undeniable factor that only when Jews are involved that people start caring about the plight of the Palestinians?

 

[Alceste]

Nope, I care about anyone who is oppressed and abused by anyone, including but not limited to Palestinians who are oppressed and abused by Jewish people.

Scope out human rights watch for a general overview of who I am concerned about, and why.

 

[Alceste]

After I posted, I did try to read that blog post. I couldn't get through any more of it after the writer denied that anybody is worried about Syria. What a complete and total idiot.

 

[TommyDar]

After I posted, I did try to read that blog post. I couldn't get through any more of it after the writer denied that anybody is worried about Syria. What a complete and total idiot.

Actually Alceste, I say as an ex-Muslim is the only reason many Muslims around the world even are remotely interested in Palestine because of Israel. My father was a priest and I grew up with religious leaders. Even in the mosque, sometimes they would pray things like, "Oh Allah, give victory Palestinians and destroy the Jewish people and the State of Israel". It is not an exaggeration. I heard it quite often.

Today the biggest oppressor of Palestinians is the Palestinian government and their clerics!

 

[Assad91]

Why do you claim to be ex muslim and then say your father was a priest?

And yes, may Allah give victory to the Palestinia people who are oppressed and abused by the zionist.

And to the OP, no one cares about Arabs killing Arabs? Where does anyone get the nerve to say that? Espcially about Syria where even America and Russia are calliny an end to the horrible mess. This articles aurthor is horribly transparent as a propagandist with a weak argument to those who are not "yeah israel!".

 

[TommyDar]

Why do you claim to be ex muslim and then say your father was a priest?

I'm from Indonesia and sometimes I use google translate to translate sentences. In Indonesian, "imam" can refer to both a Muslim imam and a Christian priest or preacher.

Allah give victory to the Palestinia people who are oppressed and abused by the zionist.

Ridiculous. The only people who are oppressing the Palestinians are the other Arabs and the Palestinian government themselves. Have you every thought that the reason why the Israeli government has to take such drastic measures is because of the Palestinian's own extremism and irrational hatred?

 

[Shermana]

After I posted, I did try to read that blog post. I couldn't get through any more of it after the writer denied that anybody is worried about Syria. What a complete and total idiot.

The emphasis is on the treatment of Palestinians in Syria. Not Syria itself. What gave you the idea that he's referring to the situation in Syria itself and not specifically about their treatment of Palestinians specifically?

FInd me a blog or two about the Syrian treatment of Palestinians (preferably not from an Israeli source pointing out the utter silence on the issue) and then we'll talk about if he's a complete and total idiot.

And do try to read through it so you can get the full grasp of the ideas in it, don't just stop at the first thing you (mis)read that causes you to think it's wrong, there's other examples there too besides the Syrian treatment of Palestinians.

 

[Shermana]

Assad91:

And yes, may Allah give victory to the Palestinia people who are oppressed and abused by the zionist.

May Allah continue to cause them defeat after defeat and may they eventually get the message that He is not on their side for a reason. And may he grant you much insight as to what brought about their situation of "oppression" and "abuse" as you call it that your opinion may be objective.

And to the OP, no one cares about Arabs killing Arabs?

Seriously, the point is that when Arabs kill other Arabs, you don't get nearly as much reaction, not even a fraction of the reaction, as when Jews are engaged in hostilities with Palestinians. Why could that be? When was the last time you got all fired up about Sunni on Shia violence as you do this?

. Where does anyone get the nerve to say that?

Because its the facts? Would you like to actually address the OP instead of state your dismissal of the facts in question here? Do you even understand what this subject is about? I don't think you quite understand what is being discussed here. Where is the worldwide concern for the Arab countries that hole them up in Refugee camps? Where is the concern for them being denied access to Jordan whilst fleeing from the Syrians butchering them? Where was the outcry of Kuwait expelling 300,000 of them?

Oh its all Israel's fault and that gives them an excuse to not point any blame anywhere else, is that why?

Espcially about Syria where even America and Russia are calliny an end to the horrible mess. This articles aurthor is horribly transparent as a propagandist with a weak argument to those who are not "yeah israel!".

So quite clearly you seem to have no idea that this is about the Syrian treatment of Palestinians, as well as the other Arab treatment of Palestinians. This is not about Russia and the USA calling for the violence in Syria to end. This is about individuals and people who claim to care about the Palestinians not caring about them when they're involved in other countries than Israel.

Would you like to try each of the examples presented? Like the 300,000 Palestinians expelled from Kuwait for example? When was the last time you were concerned about them or denounced Kuwait? Never?

 

[Shermana]

Here, I will repost the critical text so we don't get any more confusion that this is about the situation in Syria in general, but rather about the situation of Palestinians being slaughtered in Syria and no one in the world doing anything much about it. Maybe a FEW people care...somewhere.

We are learning now they don’t care at all as Assad slaughters them in Syria. Where are the front-page headlines? Where are the UN condemnations? Where is the U.S. State Department? Where are the sponsors of flotillas to bring aid to the refugees? Where are the campus protests? Where are the Christian organizations? Where are the peace groups? Where are the pro-Palestinian organizations?
The answer is they are all silent.
Just two months ago, 180 countries voted in favor of Palestinian statehood at the UN, but they have not adopted a resolution condemning the brutal slaughter of Palestinians by Syria. Imagine if Israel were responsible for what is happening to the Palestinians. The UN would have acted immediately and all the groups mentioned above would be in an uproar.
How do we explain the difference?
The answer lies in a simple but inconvenient truth — no one really cares about the Palestinians – unless Jews are involved.


So as we can see, this is not about not caring about the violence in Syria in general between Assad and the rebels, this is about Syria butchering Palestinians, and Jordan refusing to take in the refugees, and no one really caring much about it.

Bottom line is, Syria butchers Palestinians, no reaction. Israel takes action against Palestinians, people go haywire. The difference is uncanny. There's an undeniable conclusion that can be reached here...

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

Seriously, the point is that when Arabs kill other Arabs, you don't get nearly as much reaction, not even a fraction of the reaction, as when Jews are engaged in hostilities with Palestinians.

There is, indeed, a double standard which is pervasive, persistent, and intensely ugly. Those who deny it are part of the problem. That is true.

But also true is the following:

• sanitized language such as "Arabs kill Arabs [while] Jews are engaged in hostilities with Palestinians" strikes me as no less biased, and
• the existence of the double standard addressed in the OP in no way justifies Israel's treatment of Palestine and Palestinians.

Israel deserves better friends.

 

[Shermana]

There is, indeed, a double standard which is pervasive, persistent, and intensely ugly. Those who deny it are part of the problem. That is true.

But also true is the following:

• sanitized language such as "Arabs kill Arabs [while] Jews are engaged in hostilities with Palestinians" strikes me as no less biased, and
• the existence of the double standard addressed in the OP in no way justifies Israel's treatment of Palestine and Palestinians.

Israel deserves better friends.

At least we agree on the double standard thing.

Why is my "sanitized language" biased exactly? Should I have said "Jews killed Palestinians" as well?

This post is not about justifying Israeli treatment of Palestinians or the concept of the state of Palestine.

So what's your idea of a better friend for Israel exactly?

 

[Revoltingest]

There are several reasons why there might be less attention given to Palestinians receiving bad treatment in debacles
unrelated to Israel's oppression & aggression:
- The events are recent & are of a transitory nature. Awful as such revolutionary related strife is, it's not so amenable to
mitigation by diplomacy, denunciation or police action.
- The events are in countries where Western gaze is not already focused. Unfair as it is, when one is less engaged with a
country's politics & culture, one pays less attention.
- In some countries, The West has less of a relationship with the people & their leaders, which means less perceived influence.
Problems which are fixable & involve familiars are more interesting than intractable conflict of others.
- In some countries, eg, Syria, Egypt, the West expects less observance of human rights. In others, Israel, England, Germany,
there is a higher standard.

The article smacks of anti-semitism, but in this case the Semites are the Palestinians. The author attacks critics of Israel by
making them appear merely anti-Jew & uncaring about the victims of violence. Note the portion of text below which I underlined.

Just two months ago, 180 countries voted in favor of Palestinian statehood at the UN, but they have not adopted a resolution
condemning the brutal slaughter of Palestinians by Syria. Imagine if Israel were responsible for what is happening to the Palestinians.
The UN would have acted immediately and all the groups mentioned above would be in an uproar. How do we explain the difference?
The answer lies in a simple but inconvenient truth — no one really cares about the Palestinians – unless Jews are involved.

The author utterly ignores the massive military & monetary aid the US gives to Israel, a state which the West is responsible for creating.
Naturally, the West has greater interest in the plight of the Palestinians here than elsewhere. The writer strikes me as a callous & bigoted zealot.

 

[F0uad]

Jews see the genocide that happened in WW2 as something bad.
Muslims see the genocide that happened in 48 until today something bad.

I personally side with Palestinians because they are my Muslim brothers and sisters, i show the same anger for Bosnia, Afghanistan, Iraq and all the other countries. I think Palestine is a special case because its going on for over 70 to 60 years now. However if they were Hindu's i would also stand up for them because suppression in any form is bad.

 

[Flankerl]

Muslims see the genocide that happened in 48 until today something bad.

Except that there was no genocide.

But hey nevermind reality.

 

[Alceste]

There are several reasons why there might be less attention given to Palestinians receiving bad treatment in debacles
unrelated to Israel's oppression & aggression:
- The events are recent & are of a transitory nature. Awful as such revolutionary related strife is, it's not so amenable to
mitigation by diplomacy, denunciation or police action.
- The events are in countries where Western gaze is not already focused. Unfair as it is, when one is less engaged with a
country's politics & culture, one pays less attention.
- In some countries, The West has less of a relationship with the people & their leaders, which means less perceived influence.
Problems which are fixable & involve familiars are more interesting than intractable conflict of others.
- In some countries, eg, Syria, Egypt, the West expects less observance of human rights. In others, Israel, England, Germany,
there is a higher standard.

The article smacks of anti-semitism, but in this case the Semites are the Palestinians. The author attacks critics of Israel by
making them appear merely anti-Jew & uncaring about the victims of violence. Note the portion of text below which I underlined.
The author utterly ignores the massive military & monetary aid the US gives to Israel, a state which the West is responsible for creating.
Naturally, the West has greater interest in the plight of the Palestinians here than elsewhere. The writer strikes me as a callous & bigoted zealot.

:clap

My sentiments exactly.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

TThe writer strikes me as a callous & bigoted zealot.

Of course he does.

 

[Kilgore Trout]

The Pale-who-ians?

 

[Revoltingest]

Of course he does.

I presume that you find my position to be expected, since I'm such a shining
example of a caring & fair progressive. Being predictable is my cross to bear.

My PC power supply died right after this post, so I figgered that I'd be excoriated
in absentia all day. Lo & behold, I return to find nothing but pleasantries!

 

[F0uad]

Except that there was no genocide.

But hey nevermind reality.

Says you i am pretty sure the Palestinians civilians who lived in village's have something else to say about that. The same question can be asked where is the proof that 6 million Jews died.

 

[Assad91]

The sad thing is, is the Zionist, as a reaction against centuries of persecution mainly from Christian Europe, turn around and do to Arabs what christians did to them. Like a bullied child bullying weaker kids.