Christians, why do you hate Gays?

[-Peacemaker-]

No, one states God isn't real. the other that God can be angry all he wants but it doesn't matter when it comes to our rights.

Both argue that there is no judgement facing those who practice these acts

 

[Drolefille]

hate is an emotion. If he does not wish you harm for harm´s sake he does not have the emotion called "hate".

To what I see, he thinks it is for the best of you, so if he felt so in a more passionate or tender way it could perfectly be called love. Terribly inaccurate in it´s execution, but love nonetheless.

Love that controls is hate.
Love that demands obedience is hate.
Love that abuses is hate.

None of these things are love. If it were a romantic partner who constantly told me what I did was wrong "for my own good" it would be an abusive situation, not a loving one. If they demanded I behave as they decided, it would be an abusive situation, not a loving one. If they demanded I obey them, again, abusive. Abuse is not love, that's a lie.

Both argue that there is no judgement facing those who practice these acts

This is called moving the goalposts. They are not however the argument that "God doesn't care" which is what you claimed.

You should try seeing outside of your paradigm here. It's a fascinating world, I promise.

 

[Straw Dog]

People are constantly telling me what they believe is the path to salvation. Practically everyone in this thread is doing it right now.

For the record, I offer no path to "salvation" as I don't recognize the need for it to begin with.

 

[dgirl1986]

Both argue that there is no judgement facing those who practice these acts

And some argue that just being gay, even if you dont act on it, means you will burn in hell for all eternity because god hates gays. (not me in case it gets misunderstood)

 

[-Peacemaker-]

For the record, I offer no path to "salvation" as I don't recognize the need for it to begin with.

Once again this is one of the infinate variations of the argument "God is not angered by what I do". Whether that be because you argue he doesn't exist or because he's not all powerful doesn't change the principle argument. it just changes how you justify the argument.

 

[Straw Dog]

most gays I know disagree with you just for the record.

Yeah, there's no particular reason to be offended by the term "gays". I'm just taking notice of the way we use language to divide people into definitive groups as if it adequately captured the totality of that individual.

 

[Straw Dog]

Once agian this is one of the infinate variations of the argument "God is not angered by what I do". Whether that be because you argue he doesn't exist or because he's not all powerful doesn't change the principle argument. it just changes why you justify the argument.

I've said nothing about god one way or the other.

 

[dgirl1986]

Once again this is one of the infinate variations of the argument "God is not angered by what I do". Whether that be because you argue he doesn't exist or because he's not all powerful doesn't change the principle argument. it just changes how you justify the argument.

So if god was so angry by the actions of one of his followers, wouldnt he then send some sort of message? I mean surely if he can send a message when I was looking at other faiths he can surely send a message if he is angry cos I am a homo.

 

[Me Myself]

Love that controls is hate.
Love that demands obedience is hate.
Love that abuses is hate.

Not necessarily.

I agree a lot of people who say "love" other people do not, but that does not mean they hate them either.

We are talking about emotions here. Both love and hate are emotions. For what I read, he doesn´t have hate at least.

It is also normal to try to prevent harm from those you love, so the "unloving" part is the part were he is completely wrong about what will hurt the gay.

Not saying his love gives him any right over those he loves, but we cannot say he hates anyone at least. We simply don´t have that information.

A parent tries to control his children because of love, and will try to do so even when the children are 50. That will not be "hate" though. depending on the degree of action taking over his natural inclination to control them it will come whether it is healthy or not, but even with too much control it wouldn´t be accurately called hate.

 

[Shermana]

So if god was so angry by the actions of one of his followers, wouldnt he then send some sort of message? I mean surely if he can send a message when I was looking at other faiths he can surely send a message if he is angry cos I am a homo.

Just for the record, the Bible does not mention or condemn Female homosexuality. And Romans 1:26, as Augustine and others say, is not about Lesbianism, the "likewise" is about the same sort of "Greek style" that men would sometimes do "With each other". Personally I think Lesbianism (until ready to settle down) is the cure to a whole slew of calamities facing women, both physical and emotional..

 

[-Peacemaker-]

So if god was so angry by the actions of one of his followers, wouldnt he then send some sort of message? I mean surely if he can send a message when I was looking at other faiths he can surely send a message if he is angry cos I am a homo.

We believe he's already spoken through his Word.

 

[romana03]

most gays I know disagree with you just for the record.

They're allowed to. Most gay people I know agree *shrugs*

 

[dgirl1986]

Just for the record, the Bible does not mention or condemn Female homosexuality. And Romans 1:26, as Augustine and others say, is not about Lesbianism, the "likewise" is about the same sort of "Greek style" that men would sometimes do "With each other". Personally I think Lesbianism (until ready to settle down) is the cure to a whole slew of calamities facing women, both physical and emotional..

I have heard the arguement that the original translation was actually implying male -male rape. So I dunno. I am not sure at one point it changes from one thing to another and then turns into a whole homo hate fest (excuse the term).

 

[dgirl1986]

We believe he's already spoken through his Word.

Thats a bit of a cop out. He can use events and the word to speak to people. I experienced this first hand (after years of silence) twice in two seperate situations for two seperate things.

 

[Shermana]

I have heard the arguement that the original translation was actually implying male -male rape. So I dunno. I am not sure at one point it changes from one thing to another and then turns into a whole homo hate fest (excuse the term).

I've never heard that one before. The concept of "lie with as a woman" can be interpreted to mean anything from the act itself to even kissing.

 

[Drolefille]

Not necessarily.

I agree a lot of people who say "love" other people do not, but that does not mean they hate them either.

We are talking about emotions here. Both love and hate are emotions. For what I read, he doesn´t have hate at least.

It is also normal to try to prevent harm from those you love, so the "unloving" part is the part were he is completely wrong about what will hurt the gay.

Not saying his love gives him any right over those he loves, but we cannot say he hates anyone at least. We simply don´t have that information.

A parent tries to control his children because of love, and will try to do so even when the children are 50. That will not be "hate" though. depending on the degree of action taking over his natural inclination to control them it will come whether it is healthy or not, but even with too much control it wouldn´t be accurately called hate.

we're speaking about adults, not children.
And an adult parent who tries to control their *adult children is not showing love. They may think they are, but they are wrong.

One does not have to think "I hate them" to show hatred. One shows hatred and love through actions, and being abusive is hatred.

 

[-Peacemaker-]

He can use events and the word to speak to people. I experienced this first hand (after years of silence) twice in two seperate situations for two seperate things.

Are you talking about expecting God to appear right before you to chastize you? The God I'm familiar with usually works through prophets.

 

[romana03]

Personally I think Lesbianism (until ready to settle down) is the cure to a whole slew of calamities facing women, both physical and emotional..

I'm really curious about the (until ready to settle down) qualifier. What do you mean by that? That lesbians should marry men despite their lesbianism? Or that women should just sleep with women until they get married, regardless of their actual sexuality?

 

[dgirl1986]

I've never heard that one before. The concept of "lie with as a woman" can be interpreted to mean anything from the act itself to even kissing.

Well there is a verse that says if a man lies with a woman who is not betrothed or married he must marry her for he has violated her. later translations actually state this as rape, the victim must marry the man because he violated her.

So I dont see why the same logic could not be applied to a verse that later became about homosexuality?

 

[Shermana]

I'm really curious about the (until ready to settle down) qualifier. What do you mean by that? That lesbians should marry men despite their lesbianism? Or that women should just sleep with women until they get married, regardless of their actual sexuality?

The second, that women should stick to women until they are ready to get married. That would basically slash disease, unwanted pregnancies, and general ...ahem...."Wear and tear" down to near zero. Lesbians have an extremely low STD rate. (As opposed to their male counterparts who have a much higher than average, especially with specific ones like Syphilis, where they account for 60% of all known cases, that's just facts, no bullying intended).