John 1:1

[sojourner]

The term serpent( as satan is called the original serpent) obvuiously means they are liars and slanderers--Jesus wasnt calling them actual serpents and you know that. You can nit pick all you want--a fact is a fact.

And this has ... what, exactly, to do with John 1???

 

[Shermana]

I'm sure that, in your own mind, you've done that. But "Dr. O" effectively wiped the floor with you on that point.

No, I wiped the floor with Dr. O, I effectively refuted everything he said and several others have pointed out that he's not even on the same page, so if you're just going to just take this route, at least be willing to show what you think he did, otherwise you're just showing desparation at this point.

 

[Shermana]

I'm sure that, in your own mind, you've done that. But "Dr. O" effectively wiped the floor with you on that point.

No, I wiped the floor with Dr. O, I effectively refuted everything he said and others have pointed out that he's not even on the same page on other threads, so if you're just going to just take this route, at least be willing to show what you think he did, otherwise you're just showing desparation at this point. So by all means, if you're going to make this kind of declaration, show me what you think he demonstrated that effectively countered what I said and we'll go over it in detail.

 

[kjw47]

And this has ... what, exactly, to do with John 1???

Nothing to do with John 1:1--this does--- In the greek written language they did not have(a) in writing--so to translate from greek to another language one had to know where to put the (a)--- to keep Gods word in harmony with itself. Its a fact that at catholicism councils they created the trinity god--there is ample evidence in history to prove that 100% correct. And since we all know Gods son did not lie--when he teaches all that the one who sent him( Father=Jehovah) is THE ONLY TRUE GOD--(John 17:1-6) and many places teach that Jesus Father is his God (1 cor 15:24-28,,rev 3:12)--its 100% fact that an a belongs at John 1:1--- the teaching of a trinity god is basically calling Jesus a liar--Paul backed Jesus' truth at 1 cor 8:6

 

[sojourner]

No, I wiped the floor with Dr. O

In your overblown dreams...

 

[sojourner]

Nothing to do with John 1:1--this does--- In the greek written language they did not have(a) in writing--so to translate from greek to another language one had to know where to put the (a)--- to keep Gods word in harmony with itself. Its a fact that at catholicism councils they created the trinity god--there is ample evidence in history to prove that 100% correct. And since we all know Gods son did not lie--when he teaches all that the one who sent him( Father=Jehovah) is THE ONLY TRUE GOD--(John 17:1-6) and many places teach that Jesus Father is his God (1 cor 15:24-28,,rev 3:12)--its 100% fact that an a belongs at John 1:1--- the teaching of a trinity god is basically calling Jesus a liar--Paul backed Jesus' truth at 1 cor 8:6

You're reaching. we laid this to rest looooong ago.

 

[cataway]

Shermana six love six love :clap:clap:clap

 

[kjw47]

You're reaching. we laid this to rest looooong ago.

It has never been laid to rest--How do you then manage to get by the fact that every israelite while serving the true God served a single being God named YHWH(Jehovah)The same God Jesus was taught the first 30 years he attended the synagogues and never once refuted that truth. The only answer a trinitarian has is that the israelites didnt know God---- How many trinitarians has God spoken to? Jesus surely would have taught the apostles about a different God than they were taught all of their years as well. In red letters,plain as day, but it did not occur,Why? Jesus told everyone why--John 17:1-6--The Father=Jehovah is THE ONLY TRUE GOD--- Listen to Jesus.

 

[sojourner]

It has never been laid to rest--How do you then manage to get by the fact that every israelite while serving the true God served a single being God named YHWH(Jehovah)The same God Jesus was taught the first 30 years he attended the synagogues and never once refuted that truth. The only answer a trinitarian has is that the israelites didnt know God---- How many trinitarians has God spoken to? Jesus surely would have taught the apostles about a different God than they were taught all of their years as well. In red letters,plain as day, but it did not occur,Why? Jesus told everyone why--John 17:1-6--The Father=Jehovah is THE ONLY TRUE GOD--- Listen to Jesus.

*sigh.* According to the Trinity doctrine, there is only one true God, but that one God is manifest in three distinct Persons.

 

[kjw47]

*sigh.* According to the Trinity doctrine, there is only one true God, but that one God is manifest in three distinct Persons.

There wasnt a trinity God taught in the council of Nicea--the first council--it came later--it is a a false teaching of catholicism( great apostasy)-- they mistranslated Gods word by the will of satan. And if you dont think that can occur--then why did wicked men remove Gods personal name in the ot in nearly 6800 places and replace it with--GOD-LORD? God put his name there, because he wants it there--it was a major atrocity against God. the trinity translators know this fact well and for 1750 years did nothing about it.

 

[sojourner]

There wasnt a trinity God taught in the council of Nicea--the first council--it came later--it is a a false teaching of catholicism( great apostasy)-- they mistranslated Gods word by the will of satan. And if you dont think that can occur--then why did wicked men remove Gods personal name in the ot in nearly 6800 places and replace it with--GOD-LORD? God put his name there, because he wants it there--it was a major atrocity against God. the trinity translators know this fact well and for 1750 years did nothing about it.

This is so far off base as to border on the maniacal.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

This is so far off base as to border on the maniacal.

Didn't ARIUS teach that God is Un-begotten and without beginning. That the Son, because he is begotten can Not be God in the sense that the Father is. The Son did not exist from all eternity but was created and exists by the will of the Father. ?

Since God had no beginning -Psalm 90 v 2 -then God was before the beginning.
Only God was before the beginning.
Jesus was not before the beginning as God was before the beginning.
-Rev. 3 v 14

 

[kjw47]

This is so far off base as to border on the maniacal.

You may be right--Catholicism clergy did do something about the removal of Gods name--They condemned the only translation, and translators that had enough love and respect for God to put his name back.

 

[sojourner]

You may be right--Catholicism clergy did do something about the removal of Gods name--They condemned the only translation, and translators that had enough love and respect for God to put his name back.

What "name" would that be? Oh! Wait! I know! The one that was cobbled together from two different German interpretations of the Tetragrammaton, right? :yes:

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Who first translated the Tetragrammaton into English ?_________

 

[sojourner]

the Son, because he is begotten can Not be God in the sense that the Father is.

And so he's not -- he's not the Father -- he's the Son. Both are God.

The Son did not exist from all eternity but was created and exists by the will of the Father.

Nope. Sorry.

 

[sojourner]

Who first translated the Tetragrammaton into English ?_________

Not cogent to the argument.

 

[kjw47]

What "name" would that be? Oh! Wait! I know! The one that was cobbled together from two different German interpretations of the Tetragrammaton, right? :yes:

And i say Jehovah himself has made sure his name is known in all of creation.

 

[sojourner]

And i say Jehovah himself has made sure his name is known in all of creation.

...Even though God's name isn't really "Jehovah"...:sleep:

 

[kjw47]

...Even though God's name isn't really "Jehovah"...:sleep:

You dont know that. I am confident that God would not let his name not be right for all of these years it has been accepted.