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In your opinion this applies to prophets, as well as the Divine in the Bible?
I'm not buying it. Nor am I buying Muhammad in the Bible. I've seen the claims. Weak.
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Did Jesus say he was God???
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I'm not buying it. Nor am I buying Muhammad in the Bible. I've seen the claims. Weak.
if you dont believe this, then try for yourself and copy this word and
מחמד and put it in world translation link, and you will get name Muhammed, that is word from bible. no matter how hard you try to deny it, the word Muhammed is there, then you can call it beloved, most sweet or whatever, but the word Muhammed is there.
Muhammed word from hebrew bible
טז חִכּוֹ, מַמְתַקִּים, וְכֻלּוֹ, מַחֲמַדִּים; זֶה דוֹדִי וְזֶה רֵעִי, בְּנוֹת יְרוּשָׁלִָם
Song of Songs Chapter 5:16 His mouth is most sweet; yea, he is Muhammed. This is my beloved, and this is my friend, O daughters of Jerusalem
copy this word and put it in english translation and you will get this
מחמד
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and you will get this
we have been informed by God in quran that Muhammed was mentioned in previous scriptures
מחמד and put it in world translation link, and you will get name Muhammed, that is word from bible. no matter how hard you try to deny it, the word Muhammed is there, then you can call it beloved, most sweet or whatever, but the word Muhammed is there.
Muhammed word from hebrew bible
טז חִכּוֹ, מַמְתַקִּים, וְכֻלּוֹ, מַחֲמַדִּים; זֶה דוֹדִי וְזֶה רֵעִי, בְּנוֹת יְרוּשָׁלִָם
Song of Songs Chapter 5:16 His mouth is most sweet; yea, he is Muhammed. This is my beloved, and this is my friend, O daughters of Jerusalem
copy this word and put it in english translation and you will get this
מחמד
Free Translation and Professional Translation Services from SDL
and you will get this
we have been informed by God in quran that Muhammed was mentioned in previous scriptures
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Hostis humani generis
Pareidolia. It's not Muhammad. The word is simply spelled the same. It means something different. It comes from a different lexical root.
The word means 'lovely', as in 'beautiful'. No matter how much you wish it meant Muhammad, it doesn't mean Muhammad.
It may be worth showing the verses AROUND that passage:
She
10 My beloved is radiant and ruddy,
outstanding among ten thousand.
11 His head is purest gold;
his hair is wavy
and black as a raven.
12 His eyes are like doves
by the water streams,
washed in milk,
mounted like jewels.
13 His cheeks are like beds of spice
yielding perfume.
His lips are like lilies
dripping with myrrh.
14 His arms are rods of gold
set with topaz.
His body is like polished ivory
decorated with lapis lazuli.
15 His legs are pillars of marble
set on bases of pure gold.
His appearance is like Lebanon,
choice as its cedars.
16 His mouth is sweetness itself;
he is altogether lovely.
This is my beloved, this is my friend,
daughters of Jerusalem.
10 My beloved is radiant and ruddy,
outstanding among ten thousand.
11 His head is purest gold;
his hair is wavy
and black as a raven.
12 His eyes are like doves
by the water streams,
washed in milk,
mounted like jewels.
13 His cheeks are like beds of spice
yielding perfume.
His lips are like lilies
dripping with myrrh.
14 His arms are rods of gold
set with topaz.
His body is like polished ivory
decorated with lapis lazuli.
15 His legs are pillars of marble
set on bases of pure gold.
His appearance is like Lebanon,
choice as its cedars.
16 His mouth is sweetness itself;
he is altogether lovely.
This is my beloved, this is my friend,
daughters of Jerusalem.
-- Song of Solomon 5:10-16, NIV translation
Also within the Song of Solomon:
She
3 Like an apple tree among the trees of the forest
is my beloved among the young men.
I delight to sit in his shade,
and his fruit is sweet to my taste.
3 Like an apple tree among the trees of the forest
is my beloved among the young men.
I delight to sit in his shade,
and his fruit is sweet to my taste.
-- Song of Solomon 2:3, NIV translation
Allegedly.
then explain to people why does lexicon translate that word from bible as muhammed and not beloved
look man, look
do you know that Muhammed was among 10 000 soldiers conquering mekka
In Ahmads Musnad, with two other chains from Nafi ibn Jubayr, from Ali with the following respective wordings:[SIZE=-1][/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]First wording: The Prophet Allah bless and greet him was of truly imposing stature (azîm al-hâma), fair with a reddish hue, with a very large beard (azîm al-lihya), large joints, fine hands and feet, a long chest-to-navel line of hair and plentiful hair on his head (kathîra shari al-rasi) - wavy hair (râjilahu). He walked briskly as if going downhill. He was neither tall nor short. I never saw anyone comparable before or after him.[/SIZE][SIZE=-1][/SIZE]
his bodys sweat was like parfume, his wife collected this sweat and put it in bottle, as parfume.
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Hostis humani generis
Simple reason: Hebrew uses an abjad script, like Arabic. It does not mark short vowels.
Some words do have similar spellings, or pronunciations, but mean different things. "Read" and "reed" can sound the same, as can "read" and "red".
×××× - Wiktionary
H4261 ???? - Strong's Hebrew Lexicon
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1robin
Christian/Baptist
What is buty? Just kidding I am no grammer expert.
I did not say Jesus was not God. I said that rediculous test Islam uses to declare him to not be God is bogus and silly. I find the issue not worth the trouble. Regardless if Jesus is or is not God he is still my savior and I must still be born again. His title does not effect what I must do. I do in fact believe he is God but just don't find it worth the fight. Both positions have strong arguments though.Bible
1 Timothy 2:5 For there is one God and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus,
Hosea 11:9 For I am God, and not man
if God is not a man, and jesus is man, then jesus is not God, simple fact
God that does not know stuff?
Mark 13:32 "No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.
What kind of God is this who can do anything?
John 5:30 By myself I can do nothing; I judge only as I hear, and my judgment is just, for I seek not to please myself but him who sent me.
Jesus was a man acredited by God, not that he is God?
Acts 2:22 "Men of israel, listen to this: Jesus of Nazareth was a man accredited by God to you by miracles, wonders and signs, which God did among you through him, as you yourselves know.
if jesus was God, what kind of God is jesus when he need to be acredited by another God
Jesus God have another God???? 2 Gods?
John 20:17 Jesus said, "Do not hold on to me, for I have not yet returned to the Father. Go instead to my brothers and tell them, 'I am returning to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.'"
and jesus himself said this
Mark 12:29 Jesus replied, "The most important commandment is this: 'Listen, O israel! The LORD our God is the one and only LORD.
What kind of God prays to another God?
Matthew 26:39 Going a little farther, he fell with his face to the ground and prayed.
let this make little more clear to you
in those verses you can find word
Hebrew
MHMD
Arabic also
MHMD
from these arabic letter comes Muhammed
MHMD ---->muhammed
same as hebrew
so we find
1. name of Muhammed
2. He is one of 10 000 (just like it was when he and his army conquered mekka)
3. His hair was wavy and black
4. Had parfume from his body
so everything fits on Muhammed from those verses in bible.
i wrote fast, instead of but i wrote buty
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why, even your bible denies that he was not God.
that is also not true acc4roding to bible, accroding to bible God is savior, not jesus
<< Isaiah 43:11 >>
I, even I, am the LORD, and apart from me there is no savior.
so if God says in bible, there is no savior besides God, how can jesus be savior if jesus is not God?
what is your evidence that he is God, i posted to you my evidence that he was not God
but i know your arguments, i can assure you that you have missunderstood bible complitly, stuff like i and father are one evidence of divinity of jesus is just your missunderstanding, and that is absolutly no evidence that he is God.
F0uad
Well-Known Member
Well if Jesus(P) is a mediator then clearly he(p) isn't god.
If he(p) is god he is not a mediator since god would be speaking directly.
The most funny argument i find is '''saviour'' well muslims do belief that Jesus(p) is the saviour however where did Jesus(p) claim to save you from your sins?
Did he(p) not tell people to uphold the law..
Did he(p) not say that everyone is judge for hes own accord?
If he(p) is god he is not a mediator since god would be speaking directly.
The most funny argument i find is '''saviour'' well muslims do belief that Jesus(p) is the saviour however where did Jesus(p) claim to save you from your sins?
Did he(p) not tell people to uphold the law..
Did he(p) not say that everyone is judge for hes own accord?
1robin
Christian/Baptist
Well hello, Fouad. Are you out of retirement? I asked someone to address my last claim in the thread we made because I did not know what happened to you. I do not think he will but I thought it polite to ask if you mind.
Mediator is a roll not his essence. In trinitarian theology the three are equal in essence but have individual rolls. Do you really not think the bible does not over and over say Jesus forgives sin? I think I missed something. Anyway welcome back.
1robin
Christian/Baptist
No problem.i wrote fast, instead of but i wrote buty
Even if that was true and I believe it false, it is not the issue. I was dissagreeing with your methods used to determine his status not his status it's self.
"But while he thought about these things, behold, an angel of the Lord appeared to him in a dream, saying, 'Joseph, son of David, do not be afraid to take to you Mary your wife, for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Spirit. And she will bring forth a Son, and you shall call His name Jesus, for He will save His people from their sins'"
The Meaning of the Name 'Jesus Christ' - Good News Magazine | United Church of God
You posted very bad reasons you have used in order to claim he isn't. I do not debate the issue much because I do not find it critical.
Like I said I normally do not debate the issue just stupid ways that are used to do so. I have no desire to debate that with you and I really get the impresion you are out of your depth here. No offence intended.
1robin
Christian/Baptist
I would say it those characteristics the absence of which would render him less than God. Essence might also be that which enables his infinate capacity. I did not look that up as I do not feel the question you asked is actually what you want to know. I think you are steering the issue to some place else you are trying to get to. Perhaps we can just go there and skip all the other stuff as essence is a well known subject to a person as competant and familiar with the issue as you are. Howver if you actually need an official definition I will provide it on request.
F0uad
Well-Known Member
:cover: I forgot about our private discussion i will take a look later on.
The ''trinity'' theory itself is flawed, you cannot be a king and a messenger on the same time since a ''messenger'' is someone who is different from you a different person. Please give me a example on how it can work.
I am not sure how you actually refuted my argument on the ''saviour'' part since i was talking about taking someone else's sin. The bible is clear that no-one will take your sin away and that you will be judged for your own actions this is in the old-testament and new-testament.
There are also verses what clearly states that the father forgives the sins example Matthew 6:14 and 15.
Jesus(p) can forgive your sins if they were against him since many peoples sinned in that time against him and still do, even you and me can forgive sins: Matthew 6:14: For if you forgive men when they sin against you, your heavenly Father will also forgive you.
1robin
Christian/Baptist
I thought I had lost you.
I think both sides of the debate are equally solid. However I do not think the methods used by Islam to arrive at a conclusion are solid. The arguments Jewish people make on the issue are competant but many of Islam's are dissapointing.
I do not recall attempting to. What do you mean? Are you talking about where I posted a verse that said Mary was told by Gabriel that Jesus would save us from our sin? Or maybe the role , essence thing?
I believe God the father does forgive.
How can Jesus forgive anything in an ultimate sence unless he were God. We can't do that. We can forgive any animosity between us and them because of sin but we can't erase their guilt before God. Apparently Jesus could and did. However I do not debate this issue much or at least try not to. It is pointles to me. I need faith in his death and resurrection regardless.