Wanted to be muslim but...

[Huey09]

I came to islam's light at the end of senoir year in high school. Now living down south in the US there's not a large amount of muslim running around giving advice. however as soon as I found a sunni muslimilah who was my professor. (I call her umi since she treats me like her son). But once I was introduce to haidth, something didn't feel right. When I told her I couldn't accept haidth she sadly said I couldn't be muslim. Please tell me is this common? Have any of you expericence something like it? And if so how do I live as a muslim shunned by other muslims?

 

[Shuddhasattva]

Hello, not Muslim, but perhaps Shia Islam may be more suited for you? The hadiths are somewhat different though you might still find some of the content objectionable on much the same grounds.

Perhaps also Sufi Islam, which has a more mystical, esoteric bent with not so much emphasis on the scripture.

If you go to the mosque, pray with everyone else, perform your religious duties, etc., I don't see a problem with not believing the hadiths... don't ask, don't tell.

 

[Huey09]

I tried to examine shia islam but to belive any man was innfallible was too much to grasp. I mean I was a protestant christian before and I was that because I couldn't stand the papacy. Sufism sounds nice... though I know next to nothing about it . And praying at the mosque does seem nice the way you put it until someone asks why I may do certain things the hadith call wrong. Sounds like how the US military used to treat homosexuals lol but thank you

 

[Breathe]

I'm not Muslim either, but may I ask why you do not trust the hadith? Is it all hadith, or just some -- and why?

 

[Huey09]

Generally it is all hadith based upon the "fact" that they are not protected by God. I can accept that the Quran is protected but all I usually heard is that much science went into the hadith. Although, science 2,000 years ago said the earth was the center of the universe. Science also said the world was flat. SO who's to say the science of hadith isn't wrong as well. That and becoming just like the prophet down to how he ate and used the bathroom is just creepy.

 

[FearGod]

Generally it is all hadith based upon the "fact" that they are not protected by God. I can accept that the Quran is protected but all I usually heard is that much science went into the hadith. Although, science 2,000 years ago said the earth was the center of the universe. Science also said the world was flat. SO who's to say the science of hadith isn't wrong as well. That and becoming just like the prophet down to how he ate and used the bathroom is just creepy.

i am a muslim and i do agree with you,but i don't reject all hadith.
There is no problem to reject some hadith,specially that many found to be corrupted.

 

[Huey09]

the thought process I have is that no muslim I have met or heard of so far can argee or how to pray or who muhammad entrusted his religion to. Shi'a say Sunni are dead wrong. Sunni say Shi'a are deluisional. Who can bare witness for who is right?

 

[Dingbat]

the thought process I have is that no muslim I have met or heard of so far can argee or how to pray or who muhammad entrusted his religion to. Shi'a say Sunni are dead wrong. Sunni say Shi'a are deluisional. Who can bare witness for who is right?

None to be quite honest as I doubt God would condone sectarianism of any sort.

 

[Huey09]

Thank you my thoughts exactly

 

[Union]

Peace Huey09 and all . Hadith was created 200+ years after the demise of the Prophet and his companions . It doesn't have any relation with Islam and the prophet . In other hand Qur'an was revealed to the Prophet and his companions recorded the Qur'an direct from the Prophet and saved it for the future generations .

Dear Huey09 , read and study the Qur'an and follow it . Thats all and then you are a Muslim . You no need to be Sunni or Shia .

 

[Union]

i am a muslim and i do agree with you,but i don't reject all hadith.
There is no problem to reject some hadith,specially that many found to be corrupted.

Salam FearGod . There is no divine method of defining a hadith sahih or corrupted . The science of Hadeeth was created by fallible human and they graded Hadith as per fallible knowledge . That's why Shia have been regarded Shahih Bukhari utterly corrupted while Sunni called their Usule Khafi a hip of lies .

 

[FearGod]

i do agree with you,as to be a believer in islam you should

1. Belief in God
2. Belief in the Prophets
3. Belief in the Day of Judgment
4. Belief in the Angels
5. Belief in Divine Books
6. Qadar (Fate)

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[Breathe]

Qadar (Fate)

This may not be the correct thread for it, but what do Qur'anists believe about qadar?

 

[Huey09]

I'd likes to know that too. Do they affirm fate as everything as most traditonalist? Or fate affects certain aspects of life. Such as birth and death?

 

[FearGod]

This may not be the correct thread for it, but what do Qur'anists believe about qadar?

i understand the believe on qadar(fate) is to believe that anything bad or good is happened by god,for example,if it happened that someone is rich,then that have been planned by god,if then he became poor,then that is his qadar by god.

in other words no one in this universe can change anyones qadar,but god,whether to be bad or good.

But some interpret it in different way that they say god knows whether if someone is good or bad once he born,that looks irrational,as why god needs to test us while he knows us already from the date we born.

 

[Union]

This becomes a difficult phenomenon for us to understand the predestination because we don't know the future and GOD knows it ...

[2:255] GOD: there is no other god besides Him, the Living, the Eternal. Never a moment of unawareness or slumber overtakes Him. To Him belongs everything in the heavens and everything on earth. Who could intercede with Him, except in accordance with His will? He knows their past, and their FUTURE. No one attains any knowledge, except as He wills. His dominion encompasses the heavens and the earth, and ruling them never burdens Him. He is the Most High, the Great.

[6:50] Say, "I do not say to you that I possess the treasures of GOD. Nor do I know the FUTURE. Nor do I say to you that I am an angel. I simply follow what is revealed to me." Say, "Is the blind the same as the seer? Do you not reflect?"

[7:188] Say, "I have no power to benefit myself, or harm myself. Only what GOD wills happens to me. If I knew the FUTURE, I would have increased my wealth, and no harm would have afflicted me. I am no more than a warner, and a bearer of good news for those who believe."

[10:20] They say, "How come no miracle came down to him from his Lord?" Say, "The FUTURE belongs to GOD; so wait, and I am waiting along with you."

[11:31] "I do not claim that I possess the treasures of GOD, nor do I know the FUTURE, nor do I claim to be an angel. Nor do I say to those despised by your eyes that GOD will not bestow any blessings upon them. GOD knows best what is in their innermost thoughts. (If I did this,) I would be a transgressor."

[16:77] To GOD belongs the FUTURE of the heavens and the earth. As far as He is concerned, the end of the world (the Hour) is a blink of an eye away, or even closer. GOD is Omnipotent.

[35:38] GOD is the Knower of the FUTURE of the heavens and the earth. He is the Knower of all innermost thoughts.

Hence GOD knows exactly what is going to happen to us in future , but we are free to chose what we will do . If you are in the intersection of a road , it is upto you whether you will choose the right path or the left BUT GOD knows which one you are going to choose ....

 

[Huey09]

The skeptic in me asks why in the worl would God put us through tests knowing we will fail? That's like temtping an acholic with vodka and knowing he will break. It sounds...cruel

 

[Dingbat]

The skeptic in me asks why in the worl would God put us through tests knowing we will fail? That's like temtping an acholic with vodka and knowing he will break. It sounds...cruel

Even in failure there are lessons to be learned and sometimes even more powerful than the lessons which are easily passed.

 

[Huey09]

Still...the paradox stands for me. If God knows you will go to hell why does he not intervene? Why would a creator let his creation suffer for an eternity if he could prevent it?

 

[FearGod]

This becomes a difficult phenomenon for us to understand the predestination because we don't know the future and GOD knows it ...

[2:255] GOD: there is no other god besides Him, the Living, the Eternal. Never a moment of unawareness or slumber overtakes Him. To Him belongs everything in the heavens and everything on earth. Who could intercede with Him, except in accordance with His will? He knows their past, and their FUTURE. No one attains any knowledge, except as He wills. His dominion encompasses the heavens and the earth, and ruling them never burdens Him. He is the Most High, the Great.

[6:50] Say, "I do not say to you that I possess the treasures of GOD. Nor do I know the FUTURE. Nor do I say to you that I am an angel. I simply follow what is revealed to me." Say, "Is the blind the same as the seer? Do you not reflect?"

[7:188] Say, "I have no power to benefit myself, or harm myself. Only what GOD wills happens to me. If I knew the FUTURE, I would have increased my wealth, and no harm would have afflicted me. I am no more than a warner, and a bearer of good news for those who believe."

[10:20] They say, "How come no miracle came down to him from his Lord?" Say, "The FUTURE belongs to GOD; so wait, and I am waiting along with you."

[11:31] "I do not claim that I possess the treasures of GOD, nor do I know the FUTURE, nor do I claim to be an angel. Nor do I say to those despised by your eyes that GOD will not bestow any blessings upon them. GOD knows best what is in their innermost thoughts. (If I did this,) I would be a transgressor."

[16:77] To GOD belongs the FUTURE of the heavens and the earth. As far as He is concerned, the end of the world (the Hour) is a blink of an eye away, or even closer. GOD is Omnipotent.

[35:38] GOD is the Knower of the FUTURE of the heavens and the earth. He is the Knower of all innermost thoughts.

Hence GOD knows exactly what is going to happen to us in future , but we are free to chose what we will do . If you are in the intersection of a road , it is upto you whether you will choose the right path or the left BUT GOD knows which one you are going to choose ....

There is no verse among which you had presented show us whether if god knows if a person will die as a believer or disbeliever,bad or good from the day he born.

But talking about richness,yes god knows,not only knows but even done according to his will,no one can be the richest on this world because he wanted to be so,but that was according to god's will,not depending on ones talent or how hard he work.

talking about at what age ones will die,no one know,but god,that is in the knowledge and will of god and not in our knowledge.

things that may happen on heaven and earth,such as to say that a devastating earthquake will destroy California by tomorrow morning,then that is in god's knowledge and not ours,many many examples which show us how god knows about the future which we can't of course know.

But to say that god knows the disbeliever from the date he born,there is no a single verse saying so.how easy it is to say such a thing in one verse,but i am sure that there is none.