What Does "Feminism" Mean to You?

[painted wolf]

Once again, "feminism" is being made a scapegoat because somebody had an experience where they weren't being worshipped as the next best thing since sliced bread.

There has to be a reason that so many "nice guys" feel so oppressed by teh womens.

Clearly it's feminism's fault.... if women got back in the kitchen he could get a date and feel like an Alpha. :sarcastic

wa:do

 

[Revoltingest]

There has to be a reason that so many "nice guys" feel so oppressed by teh womens.

They should get together with the women who feel so oppressed by men.
This way, they won't ruin the lives of normal people

 

[Rakhel]

What is wrong with a woman wanting to be in the kitchen? what is wrong with her wanting her "man" to feel like an alpha?

 

[painted wolf]

They should get together with the women who feel so oppressed by men.
This way, they won't ruin the lives of normal people

LoL... what a match!

They can be justifiably miserable together.

wa:do

 

[painted wolf]

What is wrong with a woman wanting to be in the kitchen? what is wrong with her wanting her "man" to feel like an alpha?

Nothing... if that is what the woman wants.

Everything if the woman doesn't have a choice on the matter.

wa:do

 

[MoonWater]

What is wrong with a woman wanting to be in the kitchen? what is wrong with her wanting her "man" to feel like an alpha?

oh nothing at all so long as that is actually what she wants and she's not doing because she's forced to by societal gender roles.

 

[work in progress]

oh nothing at all so long as that is actually what she wants and she's not doing because she's forced to by societal gender roles.

Or a lifetime of religious indoctrination from church and family to brainwash her into narrowing her future expectations to fit that mold.

 

[dust1n]

What is wrong with a woman wanting to be in the kitchen? what is wrong with her wanting her "man" to feel like an alpha?

These shallow attempts to discredit feminism are getting really tiring.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

What is wrong with a woman wanting to be in the kitchen? what is wrong with her wanting her "man" to feel like an alpha?

Absolutely nothing, as long as that is what she wants. Nothing wrong if a man wants to take on domestic roles either and let the woman be the head of household. But it shouldn't be expected that anyone fulfill either role just because that is the way things are supposed to be.

 

[MysticSang'ha]

These shallow attempts to discredit feminism are getting really tiring.

I've been tired of it for the last week or so.

You've been on a roll, there, dust1n. I wish I could frubal you more.

 

[dust1n]

I've been tired of it for the last week or so.

You've been on a roll, there, dust1n. I wish I could frubal you more.

Ya, I appreciate that. I'm gonna go read elsewhere for a few days, and maybe the topics will start moving to somewhere else. My responding just appears to be fueling an endless fire here. All they do after losing a debate about feminism is make another thread about feminism and try again to attack from a different angle. :sleep:



To answer the OP: Apparently, "Feminism" means to me just another buzzword, in which people have tried to amount everything about feminism into one bite-sized-candy-word, without actually reading any of it, for the purposes of feeling like they defeated something, because they failed to get laid or ... I don't know, I guess people want things to be simple when they aren't.. It's like Occam's razor bastardized.

 

[Revoltingest]

If so many people have different versions of "feminism", why is one correct, & the others wrong?

 

[Sir Doom]

Some are productive. Some counter-productive. That's usually how I judge it anyway. Not that I'm always right. Just usually.

 

[Revoltingest]

Some are productive. Some counter-productive. That's usually how I judge it anyway. Not that I'm always right. Just usually.

But all definitions describe a commonly held view of some flavor of feminism.
Is a definition right because it's progressive? Is it right because it once was that way? Is it a single thing even today?

 

[MysticSang'ha]

But all definitions describe a commonly held view of some flavor of feminism.
Is a definition right because it's progressive? Is it right because it once was that way? Is it a single thing even today?

Third Wave Feminism's most commonly received criticism is that it does not have a united front toward a social issue, however some would argue that fighting ****-shaming is one. Part of the reason is because gender equality has expanded to include the rights of other disenfranchised groups such as LGBTQ's.

What has been quoted before, and continues to be quoted time and time again, is that "feminism is the radical notion that women are human beings."

I think this quote is the most appropriate and the most truthful about the state of how women are viewed in any given society.

 

[waitasec]

But all definitions describe a commonly held view of some flavor of feminism.
Is a definition right because it's progressive? Is it right because it once was that way? Is it a single thing even today?

since our society has become aware of the inequality and acknowledged it (as i believe that is how feminism was birthed)...there is no going back, so yes it is progressive in that we are always learning and changing it's definition..it cannot be stagnant it has to evolve...it took the "mans world" quite sometime to come to this understanding, didn't it?

 

[Revoltingest]

I have no argument with any of those answers.

 

[Sir Doom]

Yeah, I suppose the relative productivity of one version or another doesn't really change the perception of anyone but myself. If someone identifies as a feminist, that's exactly what they are, even if another feminist doesn't agree. This is probably the case with any philosophy. Which is why I generally won't assign any -isms to myself. I suppose I consider myself a feminist as I believe in the equality of all human beings regardless of gender, and I do acknowledge there has been a bit of an unbalance in that respect for a very long time. But I've never protested anything or boycotted anything based on this belief so I'm sure there are feminists out there that would say I'm not one of them. I could argue that its not necessary to do so in order to be a feminist, but will it change their mind? Not likely.

In the end, it becomes a label like any other. And gets assigned like any other label. By the individual. If you define feminism as a philosophy of gaining equality for women then anyone standing in the way of that is 'not feminist' including anyone that identifies as a feminist but still stands in the way. If you define feminism as a philosophy of gaining superiority of women, then anyone standing in the way of that is 'not feminist' in the same way.

From my standpoint, its easy to see which of these philosophies is 'more productive' but I must confess that anyone who doesn't see it that way is unlikely to be convinced by a mere male's opinion on the matter. As I'm well aware of the relationship between equating anything with fascism and losing arguments, I'd probably just leave it out.

 

[idav]

I'm for equal rights not really any sort of femism or manism. Sometimes people say equal rights but they are just looking to be in charge.

 

[Revoltingest]

I'm for equal rights not really any sort of femism or manism. Sometimes people say equal rights but they are just looking to be in charge.

I like the label "secular humanist".
It fits me, & it gets the blood boiling in some.
It's win win!

From Wikipedical:

Secular humanism is a secular ideology that espouses reason, ethics, and justice, whilst specifically rejecting supernatural and religious dogma as a basis of morality and decision-making.

This would seem to include the more modern inclusive feminism (Mystic & Painted Wolfie style).