Truth or Comfort?

[1137]

Ok, nobody seems to be able to understand this, so let me try to explain again. A knife has a purpose. Man needed something to cut with, so they designed a knife for that purpose and then created it to fulfil that purpose. Humans are not like that, nor is existence in general. The universe was not made with a purpose, just as human life was not made with a purpose. Neither were made at all, not in this respect, but that is getting off topic.

 

[blackout]

Ok, nobody seems to be able to understand this, so let me try to explain again. A knife has a purpose. Man needed something to cut with, so they designed a knife for that purpose and then created it to fulfil that purpose. Humans are not like that, nor is existence in general. The universe was not made with a purpose, just as human life was not made with a purpose. Neither were made at all, not in this respect, but that is getting off topic.

So the knives and tools we create have a purpose
because we created them and we use them.
(for our own purposes)

to follow this through....

we cannot have a purpose
unless someone created us specifically to use us.
(for their own purposes)

 

[Willamena]

I'm sorry if I've made it difficult for you, Doors.

 

[Orias]

Ok, nobody seems to be able to understand this, so let me try to explain again. A knife has a purpose. Man needed something to cut with, so they designed a knife for that purpose and then created it to fulfil that purpose. Humans are not like that, nor is existence in general. The universe was not made with a purpose, just as human life was not made with a purpose. Neither were made at all, not in this respect, but that is getting off topic.

How can a knife have purpose, if we do not?

Did our fathers give us life without purpose of their own?

To say the universe has no purpose is to say that we have no purpose in understanding it. To say that we have no purpose, is to limit the intentions of what is not on purpose.

This I strongly disagree with.

 

[Polarbear]

I prefer truth, I can see the appeal of holding comfortable yet untrue beliefs and most of the time it doesn't do any harm, but I find the real world more fascinating.

 

[1137]

So the knives and tools we create have a purpose
because we created them and we use them.
(for our own purposes)

to follow this through....

we cannot have a purpose
unless someone created us specifically to use us.
(for their own purposes)

Logically yes, I tried to post my correction to saying that not being created isn't relevent, but it didn't post

I'm sorry if I've made it difficult for you, Doors.

You haven't, just a little frustrating for me when people don't understand what they are discussing.

How can a knife have purpose, if we do not?

Did our fathers give us life without purpose of their own?

To say the universe has no purpose is to say that we have no purpose in understanding it. To say that we have no purpose, is to limit the intentions of what is not on purpose.

This I strongly disagree with.

How can a knife have a meaning when we don't? ... Really? Can you explain how the two depend on each other? I am not sure what you mean about our fathers, but it is no argument. Even if our fathers impregnated our mothers to make us for a reason, that is not an objective meaning for all humanity.... Isn't that self evident?

Again, no idea what you are trying to get at. If your meaning is to understand the universe that is not an objective purpose for all humanity. The only way to argue that would be to say the universe is a highly intelligent entity that purposely created humanity and use us to understand itself. If you believe that, I am sorry but you obviously aren't too concerned with understanding facts.

 

[Willamena]

You haven't, just a little frustrating for me when people don't understand what they are discussing.

Well.. technically, then, it's what you're discussing.

I still don't get it, but perhaps another day.

 

[1137]

Well.. technically, then, it's what you're discussing.

I still don't get it, but perhaps another day.

Do you not understand or just not agree? They are different.

 

[Orias]

How can a knife have a meaning when we don't? ... Really? Can you explain how the two depend on each other?

Can you comprehend a knife without us?

 

[1137]

Can you comprehend a knife without us?

No. Without intelligent life there would be no knives. So that means we have a purpose???

 

[Kathryn]

Ok, nobody seems to be able to understand this, so let me try to explain again. A knife has a purpose. Man needed something to cut with, so they designed a knife for that purpose and then created it to fulfil that purpose. Humans are not like that, nor is existence in general. The universe was not made with a purpose, just as human life was not made with a purpose. Neither were made at all, not in this respect, but that is getting off topic.

What makes you think this? How on earth would you ever be able to prove this from your very limited human perspective? How is this assertion any different from the assertion that all life is created with a distinct purpose?

 

[Willamena]

Do you not understand or just not agree? They are different.

In disagreeing, I can see just how much I don't understand.

 

[1137]

What makes you think this? How on earth would you ever be able to prove this from your very limited human perspective? How is this assertion any different from the assertion that all life is created with a distinct purpose?

So you are never going to provide and argument for objective purpose, are you. This is not surprising since none would work. That is exactly why I accept it, ever heard of logical inference, process of elimination, etc? Sincr there is no logic behind objective meaning, that is a solid enough argument in itself.

 

[Orias]

No. Without intelligent life there would be no knives. So that means we have a purpose???

Purpose, can be found in almost anything.

What exactly are you trying to get at here?

 

[1137]

Purpose, can be found in almost anything.

What exactly are you trying to get at here?

Purpose can be created, not found. I find it curious that you jumped into a debate apparently without even knowing what it is about... We are discussing if life is without purpose.

 

[Orias]

Purpose can be created, not found. I find it curious that you jumped into a debate apparently without even knowing what it is about... We are discussing if life is without purpose.

How does one learn without jumping into the fire occasionally?

Aside from that, I find it interesting that you think creation cannot be found.

If you are purposely saying that life is without purpose, then is that not purpose?

Is nothingness, essentially something?

Or is purpose only lost, to frail minds?

 

[1137]

How does one learn without jumping into the fire occasionally?

Aside from that, I find it interesting that you think creation cannot be found.

If you are purposely saying that life is without purpose, then is that not purpose?

Is nothingness, essentially something?

Or is purpose only lost, to frail minds?

Again, that jumping in the fire claim is completely irrelevent. Creation can be found, all material objects are creations. I'm watching television right now, not hard to find a creation. I feel you are trying to say my purpose is saying there is no purpose. If so, that is self created. Nothingness is the lack of something, it's really only a conceptual idea, again completely irrelevent and off topic. You can say I have a frail mind behind your irrelevent and of topic riddles, but it changes nothing. I'd say it's more a sign of a frail mind to make up irrelevent riddles rather than walk away when you have nothing useful and relevent to say.

 

[1137]

The people who are claiming that life is not meaningless, may I ask if you believe in God(s)?

 

[Orias]

Again, that jumping in the fire claim is completely irrelevent. Creation can be found, all material objects are creations. I'm watching television right now, not hard to find a creation. I feel you are trying to say my purpose is saying there is no purpose. If so, that is self created. Nothingness is the lack of something, it's really only a conceptual idea, again completely irrelevent and off topic. You can say I have a frail mind behind your irrelevent and of topic riddles, but it changes nothing. I'd say it's more a sign of a frail mind to make up irrelevent riddles rather than walk away when you have nothing useful and relevent to say.

And yet you speak of the devil so frequently.

I merely asked, who's side your on.

You speak of irrelevance, as if your ideas spawn solely from your own spiritual dimension. You are telling me to walk away, while attempting to decipher what you claim as riddles. I see no logic in this, as it would be logical to question the riddler instead of telling him what he is saying.

And nowhere in my post did I say you specifically have a frail mind, so with that being, its obvious whose side you're on

 

[1137]

And yet you speak of the devil so frequently.

I merely asked, who's side your on.

You speak of irrelevance, as if your ideas spawn solely from your own spiritual dimension. You are telling me to walk away, while attempting to decipher what you claim as riddles. I see no logic in this, as it would be logical to question the riddler instead of telling him what he is saying.

And nowhere in my post did I say you specifically have a frail mind, so with that being, its obvious whose side you're on

May I ask, what do you mean who's side? Side of what?