Me Myself
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And you´d be wrong.
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And you´d be wrong.
Gjallarhorn
N'yog-Sothep
In that case, I don't pity you. As long as you are using it because it works and not because it's right...
It's a very good stance to take.
Kathryn
It was on fire when I laid down on it.
well then start a new thread...
isn't this about christians?
and as i've stated before...
it's an excuse like any other...
what's the big deal, why defend it?
waitasec - we're allowed to make comparisons on threads. My point is relevant whether you agree with it or not.
Kathryn
It was on fire when I laid down on it.
Does the phrase "Cultural Revolution" mean anything to you?
waitasec
Veteran Member
Kathryn
It was on fire when I laid down on it.
Well thanks bro for being so magnanimous.
The organizations I work with and support are filled to the very brim with other Christians such as myself who are actively involved with bettering their communities.
Kathryn
It was on fire when I laid down on it.
and so is mine
so there..
I wasn't the one telling you to start another thread.
Kathryn
It was on fire when I laid down on it.
I can understand why some people don't agree with some actions which people justify by their faith. I can understand a negative reaction to some belief systems if they are used to justify wrong actions towards others.
But my stance is that this is human nature, regardless of belief systems. All sorts of wrong actions against groups and individuals have been perpetrated by those claiming to be supported by various belief systems, from atheism to Christianity to Islam to paganism.
I think that "hate" is a very strong and personal word though. I reserve that word for extreme situations.
"Christian" can mean many things, in my mind... Are you about the message, or about the armband ("we're the good guys, by definition")? I can like people even though they're wearing an armband, but never as much as I'd like them if they didn't wear one. And there is a threshold where the poisonousness of, and the real damage done by what they stand for and behind, outweighs my ability to love or even tolerate them. Allegedly a person can keep track of 200 friends -- even if it were 2000 or even 20000, there are billions of people on the planet... the rest is math and necessity. I could claim I love everyone equally, but that'd be a lie and would cheapen the love I do have (and some of the most beatiful people I know are Christians btw, or at least closer to Christianity than to other religions), and even the minimum amount I try to muster towards everyone (unless I'm hungry or something, then all bets are off ).
Are you [member of group] first and foremost, or a human? (or even "lifeform" for max bonus points; down with speciesism!) Do you, when push comes to shove, "just follow orders", or can you reason about what you do? I have that kind of beef with any and all groups. If they're passive/amongst themselves, I pity them, if they become more active, I think it's good to push back. And my heart can only truly soar in their absence -- either alone or with people who genuinely are who they are, not a bunch of witticisms I could pick up by reading a calendar.
^ And no, I don't mean to say "christians are that way", or other religions... but if you're a member of any religion and don't know the stuff I'm talking about, you might be doing it, too.
).Are you [member of group] first and foremost, or a human? (or even "lifeform" for max bonus points; down with speciesism!) Do you, when push comes to shove, "just follow orders", or can you reason about what you do? I have that kind of beef with any and all groups. If they're passive/amongst themselves, I pity them, if they become more active, I think it's good to push back. And my heart can only truly soar in their absence -- either alone or with people who genuinely are who they are, not a bunch of witticisms I could pick up by reading a calendar.
^ And no, I don't mean to say "christians are that way", or other religions... but if you're a member of any religion and don't know the stuff I'm talking about, you might be doing it, too.
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I think there are other belittling ideas in Christianity. IMO, the idea that the worth of all things is bestowed by God is a very common precept in Christianity, and it contradict the idea that things (such as people) have inherent worth in their own rights.
I also think that trust in God to meet the needs of humanity is a very common Christian precept, and I think this suggests that we don't need to solve our problems for ourselves.
In fact, I think many Christian denominations go a step beyond this and preach that we're living in a condemned, fallen, decaying world, and that trying to fix it isn't only unnecessary, but actually futile.
IMO, even when we set aside questions like whether Hell is fiery torment or "separation from God", or whether God does or doesn't hate gay people, there are some profoundly negative things that are at the core of almost every form of Christianity I've ever encountered.
waitasec
Veteran Member
you were posting disclaimers as to why people behave badly...
taking the focus off of why i dislike christianity...
which is the focus of this thread.
Me Myself
Back to my username
Hell was only one example. the one I personaly am more passionate about, but still.
And again. Atheism is not a belief system, it is a position on a single question. Unless you consider one a system. It's a lot easier to justify attrocities when you follow a book that condones attrocious behaviour.
Kathryn
It was on fire when I laid down on it.
The Christian beliefs that I adhere to teach that all humans are made in the image of God and are equally worthy of not only His love and grace, but our respect.
Me Myself
Back to my username
Pretty much what I believe.
The thing is that Christianity is immensely different from one "school" to another.
Jesus said he is one with all of us. I, personaly, wouldn´t call that being "unworthy" because then I would have to say Jesus is unworthy.
He didn´t even mean only those "righteous" ones, because when he said this, he also used the example of "visited me when I was in prison", so the way I see it, we are all divine.
Some of us manifest it far less than others though
I'm glad you view your religion that way, but you also have to understand that others veiw it diffrently, and when you have a giant book of multiple choice, it becomes very easy to justify almost any behaviour using the very same book. Why not toss the book and use common sense?
waitasec
Veteran Member
excellent question
Kathryn
It was on fire when I laid down on it.
Pretty much what I believe.
The thing is that Christianity is immensely different from one "school" to another.
Jesus said he is one with all of us. I, personaly, wouldn´t call that being "unworthy" because then I would have to say Jesus is unworthy.
He didn´t even mean only those "righteous" ones, because when he said this, he also used the example of "visited me when I was in prison", so the way I see it, we are all divine.
Some of us manifest it far less than others though
Right on!
Kathryn
It was on fire when I laid down on it.
Why not use common sense when you're reading a book? Any book.
Bad behavior has been justified by all sorts of books. Common sense and kindness, and the Golden Rule (as found in many belief systems, not just Christianity) will carry one a very long way regardless of what book you're reading.