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Does anyone really deserve to go to hell?
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Kilgore Trout
Misanthropic Humanist
I don't think anyone deserves to, but it wouldn't surprise me if all the people who love to tell others they're going to hell, end up there. If there is some kind of god, he's certainly provided enough evidence that he has a rich sense of irony.
But would it be right to send them to hell eternally? I think that if God created man, then we have some of his essence in us. If we think its wrong to send anyone to hell, then shouldn't he think so too? He is going to send satan to eternal hell because he crossed him once? I fail to see the "Kind and forgiving" qualities everyone seems to love mentioning
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Trey of Diamonds
Well-Known Member
I do! I do! Wait, you're talking about the bar right...
That's not what my ex-wives say.
dyanaprajna2011
Dharmapala
Lol, sounds like my ex-wife. But no, no one deserves eternal hell and punishment. The idea is absurd.
Twig pentagram
High Priest
I don't think anyone deserves eternal punishment.
Hi to Everyone Yes, if you don't believe in God you deserve the eternel hell as you will see in the text below:
How can incarceration in Hell for an infinite duration in return for unbelief for a short duration be justice?
T h e A n s w e r : Reckoning a year to be three hundred and sixty five days, the law of justice requires for a one-minute murder seven million eight hundred and eighty-four thousand minutes imprisonment. So, since one minute's unbelief is like a thousand murders, according to the law of human justice, someone who lives a life of twenty years in unbelief and dies in that state deserves imprisonment for fifty-seven billion, two hundred and one thousand two hundred million years. It may be understood from this how conformable with Divine justice is the verse,
- They will dwell therein for ever.
- They will dwell therein for ever.
Bediuzzaman Said Nursi
Nonentity is the worst of thinks, Imagine a man condemned to death penalty he will do everything he can do to change it as a life emprisonment
dyanaprajna2011
Dharmapala
I wouldn't want to serve a god who incorporates such sadistic, arbitrary, and unnecessary punishment.
The Hell exist for murders, rapists, robbers, etc. and it is a necessity inthe textherebelow you will read sociologic benefits of the life after death and the hell:
THE FIRST PROOF: Children, who comprise one fourth of the human race, can endure the death and decease that appear to them so awesome and tragic only by means of the idea of Paradise. Only by this means can they find some spiritual strength in their weak and delicate bodies, and find some hope permitting them to live joyfully, despite their vulnerable spiritual disposition that swiftly gives way to tears. Thinking of Paradise, the child will, for example, say: "My little brother or friend has died, and become a bird in Paradise. He is playing there, and leading a life finer than ours." Otherwise, the constant impact upon the anxious gazes of those poor little ones of the death of children and adults all around them, would overwhelm their powers of resistance and inner strength, and would cause not only their eyes but all of their inner faculties - spirit, heart, and intellect - so to weep that they would either be destroyed or become like crazed and wretched animals.
THE SECOND PROOF: Old people, who make up another fourth of humanity, can support the proximity of the grave only by means of the afterlife. Only by this means can they find some consolation for the approaching extinction of the worldly life to which they are so bound and the closing off to them of this fair world. Only through the hope of eternal life can they confront the painful and awesome despair that arise from the anticipation of death and separation, despite the vulnerability of their spirits and temperaments that approaches that of children. Otherwise, all those venerable aged beings deserving of pity, all those anxious mothers and fathers, greatly in need of tranquillity and assurance of heart, would experience such distraughtness of spirit and disturbance of heart that the world would appear to them as a dark dungeon and life too as grievous torment.
THE THIRD PROOF: It is only thought of Hell that enables young men -the source and fundament of all social life- to restrain their turbulent feelings and tempestuous souls and passions from committing transgression, oppression and destruction, and to make them serve instead the purposes of social life. Were there not the fear of Hell, those intoxicated youths would follow the principle, "might is right," and running after their passions would turn the world into a hell for the weak and the feeble; they would bring down humanity to a lowly and bestial state.
THE FOURTH PROOF: The most comprehensive centre of the human race in its worldly life, its most fundamental resource, its paradise, refuge and stronghold of worldly happiness, is the life of the family. Everyone's home is like a small world for him. The vitality and happiness of his home and his family depend upon earnest, sincere and devoted respect, upon true caring and self-sacrificing compassion. This in turn depends on an eternal friendship, an everlasting companionship, an immortal bond, and the belief in the existence of paternal, filial, fraternal and friendly relations that are to exist for an infinite period and in a life everlasting. One will say for example:
"This wife of mine will be my permanent life's companion, in an eternal world and an eternal life. If she has now become old and ugly, it does not matter. For she has an eternal beauty that will manifest itself in the future, and it is on account of such eternal companionship that I now make sacrifices and show her compassion."
He will thus treat his aged wife with as much love, compassion and care as if she were a beautiful Houri. Otherwise, a companionship that ends in eternal separation after a few hours' of bodily marriage would be without doubt superficial, temporary and unfounded. It would be nothing more than the sexual instinct of animals, other interests and powerful feelings would arise and, defeating that respect and concern, turn the worldly paradise into a worldly hell.
One of the hundreds of consequences of belief in resurrection relates, then, to the social life of man. If the numerous other aspects and benefits of this single consequence are deduced by analogy with these four, it can be understood that the occurrence of the verity of resurrection is as certain as the sublime truth of humanity and its universal need. It will be even more manifest than the proof provided for the existence of food by the existence of need in men's stomachs. If the consequences of the verity of resurrection are subtracted from the human state, the essence of humanity - important, exalted and vital humanity - will descend to the state of carrion, a corpse fed on by microbes. Let the sociologists, politicians and moralists who concern themselves with the administration of humanity, with morals and human society, pay close attention! How do they intend to fill this vacuum, and with what will they cure these deep wounds?
Bediuzzaman Said Nursi
THE FIRST PROOF: Children, who comprise one fourth of the human race, can endure the death and decease that appear to them so awesome and tragic only by means of the idea of Paradise. Only by this means can they find some spiritual strength in their weak and delicate bodies, and find some hope permitting them to live joyfully, despite their vulnerable spiritual disposition that swiftly gives way to tears. Thinking of Paradise, the child will, for example, say: "My little brother or friend has died, and become a bird in Paradise. He is playing there, and leading a life finer than ours." Otherwise, the constant impact upon the anxious gazes of those poor little ones of the death of children and adults all around them, would overwhelm their powers of resistance and inner strength, and would cause not only their eyes but all of their inner faculties - spirit, heart, and intellect - so to weep that they would either be destroyed or become like crazed and wretched animals.
THE SECOND PROOF: Old people, who make up another fourth of humanity, can support the proximity of the grave only by means of the afterlife. Only by this means can they find some consolation for the approaching extinction of the worldly life to which they are so bound and the closing off to them of this fair world. Only through the hope of eternal life can they confront the painful and awesome despair that arise from the anticipation of death and separation, despite the vulnerability of their spirits and temperaments that approaches that of children. Otherwise, all those venerable aged beings deserving of pity, all those anxious mothers and fathers, greatly in need of tranquillity and assurance of heart, would experience such distraughtness of spirit and disturbance of heart that the world would appear to them as a dark dungeon and life too as grievous torment.
THE THIRD PROOF: It is only thought of Hell that enables young men -the source and fundament of all social life- to restrain their turbulent feelings and tempestuous souls and passions from committing transgression, oppression and destruction, and to make them serve instead the purposes of social life. Were there not the fear of Hell, those intoxicated youths would follow the principle, "might is right," and running after their passions would turn the world into a hell for the weak and the feeble; they would bring down humanity to a lowly and bestial state.
THE FOURTH PROOF: The most comprehensive centre of the human race in its worldly life, its most fundamental resource, its paradise, refuge and stronghold of worldly happiness, is the life of the family. Everyone's home is like a small world for him. The vitality and happiness of his home and his family depend upon earnest, sincere and devoted respect, upon true caring and self-sacrificing compassion. This in turn depends on an eternal friendship, an everlasting companionship, an immortal bond, and the belief in the existence of paternal, filial, fraternal and friendly relations that are to exist for an infinite period and in a life everlasting. One will say for example:
"This wife of mine will be my permanent life's companion, in an eternal world and an eternal life. If she has now become old and ugly, it does not matter. For she has an eternal beauty that will manifest itself in the future, and it is on account of such eternal companionship that I now make sacrifices and show her compassion."
He will thus treat his aged wife with as much love, compassion and care as if she were a beautiful Houri. Otherwise, a companionship that ends in eternal separation after a few hours' of bodily marriage would be without doubt superficial, temporary and unfounded. It would be nothing more than the sexual instinct of animals, other interests and powerful feelings would arise and, defeating that respect and concern, turn the worldly paradise into a worldly hell.
One of the hundreds of consequences of belief in resurrection relates, then, to the social life of man. If the numerous other aspects and benefits of this single consequence are deduced by analogy with these four, it can be understood that the occurrence of the verity of resurrection is as certain as the sublime truth of humanity and its universal need. It will be even more manifest than the proof provided for the existence of food by the existence of need in men's stomachs. If the consequences of the verity of resurrection are subtracted from the human state, the essence of humanity - important, exalted and vital humanity - will descend to the state of carrion, a corpse fed on by microbes. Let the sociologists, politicians and moralists who concern themselves with the administration of humanity, with morals and human society, pay close attention! How do they intend to fill this vacuum, and with what will they cure these deep wounds?
Bediuzzaman Said Nursi
dyanaprajna2011
Dharmapala
ankarali said:
Ok, you're really going to have to explain what you mean by "sociologic benefits of hell", because that makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.
If he's going treat disbelief on the same grounds as murder, then I wouldn't worship him even if I knew he existed. No human deserves punishment like that, torture goes against human morals, if it doesn't him then he is no ideal God. If what you say is reality, then ****** God. You say unbelief is aggression? Look how many people kill others, and themselves, in the name of your beloved God. He is worst than a murderer, because murder would at least end suffering.
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I find it so ironic that you would even think to include this as proof. People blow themselves up, killing thousands of innocents, to get to heaven. There are so many people that kill in the name of God, I never heard of anyone killing another in the name of Atheism. So let me get this straight, if you run after your passions, the world is a hell, but if you blow yourself up to get to heaven, no problem!
Everyone is free to believe or not but the dead reality is saying there. No one of us can kill the death. All of us, one day, we will be dead people.
If I believe in God and if there is a God I will lose nothing and if there is no God I will lose nothing neither.
but if you don't believe and there is a God what you will lose? Think about it
Our days in this world not enough for our intentions, we stay here 70 or maximum 90 years and after we will be dead me I have 35 years old and all my life has passed in a second
If I believe in God and if there is a God I will lose nothing and if there is no God I will lose nothing neither.
but if you don't believe and there is a God what you will lose? Think about it
Our days in this world not enough for our intentions, we stay here 70 or maximum 90 years and after we will be dead me I have 35 years old and all my life has passed in a second
dyanaprajna2011
Dharmapala
Pascal's Wager...really? While there's no scientific proof of any kind of afterlife, you might be interested to know that reincarnation has more evidence supporting it than any other form of afterlife, which isn't saying much. But if the only evidence you can offer is from your own beliefs, then you will have a hard time convincing people unless you can also convince them your beliefs are right and true. But simply scaring people with eternal punishment to gain converts is a bit, inane, not to mention a god who does this is no god at all, really.
I used to be muslim, I can honestly say though, being a non-believer made me a much more peaceful person. I don't hate gays, I don't hate Jews, I don't hate Israelis, I don't hate Americans, I don't hate anyone. The fact that you would need the thought of Hell to keep you from doing bad things means you have a problem.
Gharib
I want Khilafah back
why do you ask a question to which you don't like to hear the answer?