ask me about Islam

[YmirGF]

WHAT???!

Take a deep breath and calm down.

then why would god says something wrong Huh?

You have to remember that the VAST majority of Christians do not believe the Bible is the literal, word of God, in the way the VAST majority of Muslims believe the Qur'an is literally written by God. The Bible is only inspired by God and was written by men. It is when Muslims (and some kooky literalistic Christians) look at the Bible as being the literal word of God that problems arise.

and you didn't check the bernaba gospel and i am sure you didn't...

Why should we look at this doubtful piece dating from the 16th century?

This Gospel is considered by the majority of academics, including Christians and some Muslims (such as Abbas el-Akkad) to be late and pseudepigraphical;[1] however, some academics suggest that it may contain some remnants of an earlier apocryphal work (perhaps Gnostic[2], Ebionite[3] or Diatessaronic[4]), edited to conform to Islam. Some Muslims consider the surviving versions as transmitting a suppressed apostolic original. Some Islamic organizations cite it in support of the Islamic view of Jesus.

SOURCE

For the record, pseudepigraphical means:

pseud·e·pig·ra·pha [soo-duh-pig-ruh-fuh]

noun (used with a plural verb)
certain writings (other than the canonical books and the Apocrypha) professing to be Biblical in character.

Origin:
1685&#8211;95; < Neo-Latin < Greek, neuter plural of pseudepíigraphos falsely inscribed, bearing a false title. See pseud-, epigraph, -ous

Source

 

[Ignorant Turncoat]

there is no true religious book written by human :no:

 

[Caladan]

you just say that because you don't have what to answer with you have no proof!

How about simply using your common sense?
and no. no book was written by a deity. they were all written by men, some of them by articulate and literary competent men. but still men.

 

[YmirGF]

there is no true religious book written by human :no:

It would appear that we agree on one point, at least. Perhaps there is hope. So, when did you realize the Qur'an was written by humans?


You do realize that your own statements casts doubt on the validity of the Gospel of Barnabas, right?

 

[Ignorant Turncoat]

Aha! the source you posted that contains wikipedia has the prediction of prophet muhammed (PBUH)! how would YOU get out of this one!

 

[Ignorant Turncoat]

YmirGF: allah sent gebril and say the words to the prophet and the prophet Preserves the words then his believers write that on paper which caliph omar ibn al khatab later put them in one book which is quran.

 

[YmirGF]

Aha! the source you posted that contains wikipedia has the prediction of prophet muhammed (PBUH)! how would YOU get out of this one!

Should we be surprised that a document edited to conform to Islam would not mention this? From the 16th century... a thousand years AFTER Muhammad? Some prediction, eh?

YmirGF: allah sent gebril and say the words to the prophet and the prophet Preserves the words then his believers write that on paper which caliph omar ibn al khatab later put them in one book which is quran.

Yeah, I have heard that a million times from Muslims. It's still not a terribly impressive claim.

 

[-Peacemaker-]

Generally speaking, Christians have never believed God dictated the Bible. They believe he inspired it. A process in which God gives the writer a certain concept, not how it's supposed to be conveyed word for word . This allows some creativity and artistry by the writer in expressing that concept

 

[waterbear]

here you can ask any question you want. except rude questions,because it will be reported.....

Does past knowledge supersede present knowledge in science?

 

[Pegg]

no i don't think that quran commands that, because We Muslims Believe That Islam and the quran are complete to the christianity and The Bible, The Torah and Judaism and other abrahamic religions, note that when allah sent Moses His People believe him for a while and then they Change It For What They Want To, and the same thing for christians,

So you obviously believe that the hebrew scriptures as originally written by the prophets and moses and kings of Isreal were the true word of God. But then you believe that the jews changed that word into something different so that now it is not the true word of God. You believe the same about the christians, that they changed their scriptures. So i would agree that the scriptures would not be true if that happened.

What would you think if it were proven that those scriptures had not actually been changed? Would you then accept that those scriptures could still hold the true word of God?

Because I can prove that the hebrew scriptures have not been changed and this is why I accept that they are the true word of God.

and allah told us that quran is never going to be changed and he will protect it.

I can also show you from the hadiths that the Quran was originally in several different versions which all varied and even contradicted each other. The hadiths report that the decision was made to destroy all the copies of the Quran and rewrite one Quran that every other copy would then be made from so as to keep the Quran the same.

I agree that the Quran you have now is the same, but these hadiths show that originally, the Quran was not all the same.

 

[-Peacemaker-]

The most interesting thing about the Muslim claim that the Scriptures have been changed is that it doesn't even hold up scientifically. We actually have copies of the NT that date back some 100 years after Christ died, maybe even less than that. It's been a while since I studied the archeological records. The actual evidence left behind by history completely obliterates this Muslim claim. I've even heard Muslim teachers with enough integrity and education to admit this.

 

[Iti oj]

out of Allahs 99 names which one holds the most meaning to you?

 

[beenie]

out of Allahs 99 names which one holds the most meaning to you?

for me: Al-Raheem

It's the one people always forget when they throw all the punishment and torture "stuff" around.

 

[Iti oj]

for me: Al-Raheem

It's the one people always forget when they throw all the punishment and torture "stuff" around.

thats about his mercy right? and its effects on the world? where as al rahaam is about how much mercy he has?

 

[beenie]

thats about his mercy right? and its effects on the world? where as al rahaam is about how much mercy he has?

Yes. Al-Rahman and Al-Raheem are my two favorites for that reason.

 

[Iti oj]

Yes. Al-Rahman and Al-Raheem are my two favorites for that reason.

are those the only 2 about his mercy? i think their is all forgiving which is like mercy..

 

[beenie]

are those the only 2 about his mercy? i think their is all forgiving which is like mercy..

Of course there are more, but you asked:

out of Allahs 99 names which one holds the most meaning to you?

and I answered it.

 

[Iti oj]

Of course there are more, but you asked:



and I answered it.

and i enjoyed your awnser. it happend to be one of the names i was familiar with but now i has more questions their is always more questions.

 

[Sunstone]

The most interesting thing about the Muslim claim that the Scriptures have been changed is that it doesn't even hold up scientifically. We actually have copies of the NT that date back some 100 years after Christ died, maybe even less than that. It's been a while since I studied the archeological records. The actual evidence left behind by history completely obliterates this Muslim claim. I've even heard Muslim teachers with enough integrity and education to admit this.

Have you read any of Bart Ehrman's works?

 

[waterbear]

Does past knowledge supersede present knowledge in science?

Bump.