ForeverFaithful
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I'm entirely willing to renounce all my support of Just War theory if some can irrefutable show me that Just War is unbiblical,
I have yet to be convinced
I have yet to be convinced
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You have heard that it was said, 'An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth.' But I tell you, do not resist an evil person. If someone strikes you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also.
And that's where I'd point to live by the sword die by the sword, he may not happen been speaking of the government's forceJesus seemed to be very much the pacifist.
However he gave no encouragement to those who wanted to oust the Romans by force. At the same time he said nothing against the idea.
When he said "give unto Rome that which is Rome's" he was in many ways accepting the status quo.
Not that that doesn't sound like Jesus but won't you mind a quoteAn eye for an eye was countered by "turn the other cheek" and" love thy enemy"
He is not recorded as commenting on "the just war" concept. "But he did teach that the weak should be protected"
Such as when Christ cleared the temple (John 2:12-25)It looks as if he thought that there was a balance to be stuck between "Good and Evil" and this could some times include direct action.
And that's where I'd point to live by the sword die by the sword, he may not happen been speaking of the government's force
Not that that doesn't sound like Jesus but won't you mind a quote
Such as when Christ cleared the temple (John 2:12-25)
"Thou shall not kill"?I'm entirely willing to renounce all my support of Just War theory if some can irrefutable show me that Just War is unbiblical
Is it Kill or Murder?"Thou shall not kill"?
War is both entirely biblical and entirely unbiblical. The Bible's got something for everyone.I'm entirely willing to renounce all my support of Just War theory if some can irrefutable show me that Just War is unbiblical,
I have yet to be convinced
Is it Kill or Murder?
to my knowledge and from the council of my Israeli friend, it's murder
Granted God may have might murder in the Old Conveant and magnified it as he did with the other commandments to include killing now.
We do see Just War in the Old Testament, it may have been a tolerated evil, but I still have trouble recociling it with Pacifism
You know my ancestor were some of the first Mennonites, really been on my mind lately
For the most part I hold this viewSt. Augustine said, "Take away justice, and what are kingdoms but mighty bands of robbers"
Justice does not call for us to be pure pacifist. To allow thous who want to harm us, walk all over us. Just war calls for defense when attack in imminent, and when the actions will result in damages not as great as the threat. It is fair and realistic.
Early Christians (who hold a lot of doctirnes I flat on reject, mostly on Bibilical grounds) were devout pacifists, their may be reasons for this, but I feel I owe them a fair hearing of their point of view, lest we forget.
Under the oppression of Nero we see no resistance from the ChristiansSuch as?
Under the oppression of Nero we see no resistance from the Christians
and just some words of the Church fathersA soldier of the civil authority must be taught not to kill men and to refuse to do so if he is commanded, and to refuse to take an oath. If he is unwilling to comply, he must be rejected for baptism. A military commander or civic magistrate must resign or be rejected. If a believer seeks to become a soldier, he must be rejected, for he has despised God.How can a man be master of another's life, if he is not even master of his own? Hence he ought to be poor in spirit, and look at Him who for our sake became poor of His own will; let him consider that we are all equal by nature, and not exalt himself impertinently against his own race[...]
Hippolytus of Rome
Gregory of Nyssa, Homilies On the Beatitudes
Such as?