OK, Let's Do This: Homosexuality

[Storm]

I did, and you didn't like it, so you resorted to a personal attack. No point in reiterating that which you fail to understand and absorb.

Just keep telling yourself that.

 

[HiddenDjinn]

This is almost amusing, and I'm getting sorely tempted to troll you just to watch you ***** and moan about how you're oppressed...but I think I'll call it a night.

 

[Sententia]

Yeah, show me a peer-reviewed study. You value it so much when a theist or anyone you disagree with says something, but not when a one-off study agrees with you.

So is cannibalism, and I'm hungry...get in mah belly

NAMBLA says the same thing, your point?

Yeah, and if we agreed to leave you alone, you would(and do) still insist on shoving your beliefs down our children's throats, ala the education system. You people(and I'm not specifically talking about gays) insist that your values are the best, and only moral ones, yet when others protest, you're being oppressed, so ******* asinine. For the rest, I'm done with the trollbait that is this thread.

All of your examples are poor and violate what storm is trying to say. Its not that hard of a general concept: What people do with their own bodies and minds is only left to them to decide... *IF* they don't infringe on the freedom of others to do the same.

Can you figure out why I think all your examples are poor and why I think you are missing the point?

 

[HiddenDjinn]

All of your examples are poor and violate what storm is trying to say.

Not so poor as what she is trying to say, and the examples point out the lack of merit of her examples.

Its not that hard of a general concept: What people do with their own bodies and minds is only left to them to decide... *IF* they don't infringe on the freedom of others to do the same.

OR if it harms the collective group, which homosexuality does.

Can you figure out why I think all your examples are poor and why I think you are missing the point?

Yeah, cause you don't like the line of reasoning I follow. I'm not sure if a priest molested you or if G-D just didn't keep your puppy alive, but anything a theist says, you hate, unless, of course, that theist agrees with what you are currently trying to spew forth.

 

[Sententia]

Not so poor as what she is trying to say, and the examples point out the lack of merit of her examples.

OR if it harms the collective group, which homosexuality does.

Yeah, cause you don't like the line of reasoning I follow. I'm not sure if a priest molested you or if G-D just didn't keep your puppy alive, but anything a theist says, you hate, unless, of course, that theist agrees with what you are currently trying to spew forth.

How does homosexuality harm the collective group?

Why don't I like the line of reasoning? I am pointing out the core idea you are missing. Your ad homs against me don't help your case and I have been a christian longer than I have been an atheist.

As either a theist or an atheist you still miss the fundamental core of the argument.

 

[HiddenDjinn]

How does homosexuality harm the collective group?

It motivates the best and brightest(and those who assume themselves so) to leave the gene pool, halting out progress. Homosexual communities are also rife with drugs and disease that they don't keep to themselves. For example, if a closet homosexual has a tryst, catches something, and brings it home to his family, don't you think that affects more than "what people willingly do behind closed doors"? Further, let's take a look at our society before homosexuality was even tolerated. It was growing, social and scientific progress was moving faster than ever before in this country's history. As soon as it became tolerated, we started decaying as a society.

 

[Gjallarhorn]

It motivates the best and brightest(and those who assume themselves so) to leave the gene pool, halting out progress. Homosexual communities are also rife with drugs and disease that they don't keep to themselves. For example, if a closet homosexual has a tryst, catches something, and brings it home to his family, don't you think that affects more than "what people willingly do behind closed doors"? Further, let's take a look at our society before homosexuality was even tolerated. It was growing, social and scientific progress was moving faster than ever before in this country's history. As soon as it became tolerated, we started decaying as a society. ** edit**

The best and the brightest already leave the gene pool.

 

[HiddenDjinn]

The best and the brightest already leave the gene pool.

Not as quickly when they breed to at least conform to the norms of society(provided that the norms are heterosexual).

 

[Skwim]

Prove me wrong, make a real argument.

I did, and you didn't like it, so you resorted to a personal attack. No point in reiterating that which you fail to understand and absorb.

Yosi's proof and real argument . . . .

"Yeah, show me a peer-reviewed study. You value it so much when a theist or anyone you disagree with says something, but not when a one-off study agrees with you."

"So is cannibalism, and I'm hungry...get in mah belly"

"NAMBLA says the same thing, your point?"

"Yeah, and if we agreed to leave you alone, you would(and do) still insist on shoving your beliefs down our children's throats, ala the education system. You people(and I'm not specifically talking about gays) insist that your values are the best, and only moral ones, yet when others protest, you're being oppressed, so ******* asinine. For the rest, I'm done with the trollbait that is this thread."

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[HiddenDjinn]

Yeah, you point out weaknesses in the opposing argument, that's how one is to refute what someone is saying. At least, that's how I was taught. Apparently, you guys are playing by a different set of rules(Attack the person, not the argument).

 

[Yes Man]

Yeah, show me a peer-reviewed study. You value it so much when a theist or anyone you disagree with says something, but not when a one-off study agrees with you.

This question is open to anyone who think homosexuality is immoral. But what do you think causes people to engage in homosexual acts?

NAMBLA says the same thing, your point?

I surmise by your comment that you think one being homosexual means the likelihood of them engaging in sexual child abuse is higher. Let me pose another question to you.

Do do you find that you being a heterosexual male (as I assume you are) find young girls sexually attractive? Probably not. So can you at least accept the possibility that the majority of homosexuals are not in fact amoral hyper-sexual beings, but rational, empathic people who want something in a relationship not much different from what you might want?

Homosexual communities are also rife with drugs and disease that they don't keep to themselves.

Teenage Christian communities are rife with pre-marital sex that weasels it way out of technical definitions of "abstinence". What's your point? Every community has it's problems. It doesn't give you the right to outlaw their lifestyle. Why not be an example of virtue and beacon of awareness instead of a tyrant?

For example, if a closet homosexual has a tryst, catches something, and brings it home to his family, don't you think that affects more than "what people willingly do behind closed doors"?

I'm sure I don't know what that means.

Further, let's take a look at our society before homosexuality was even tolerated. It was growing, social and scientific progress was moving faster than ever before in this country's history. As soon as it became tolerated, we started decaying as a society.

Evidence?

 

[Skwim]

Yeah, you point out weaknesses in the opposing argument, that's how one is to refute what someone is saying. At least, that's how I was taught. Apparently, you guys are playing by a different set of rules(Attack the person, not the argument).

No! No! No! I was pointing out that lack of any argument whatsoever.

 

[HiddenDjinn]

This question is open to anyone who think homosexuality is immoral. But what do you think causes people to engage in homosexual acts?

I neither know nor care why they choose to engage. The fact remains, they choose to engage.

Do do you find that you being a heterosexual male (as I assume you are) find young girls sexually attractive? Probably not. So can you at least accept the possibility that the majority of homosexuals are not in fact amoral hyper-sexual beings, but rational, empathic people who want something in a relationship not much different from what you might want?

With the exception that the very act of sex they choose to engage in is immoral...

Teenage Christian communities are rife with pre-marital sex that weasels it way out of technical definitions of "abstinence". What's your point? Every community has it's problems. It doesn't give you the right to outlaw their lifestyle. Why not be an example of virtue and beacon of awareness instead of tyrant?

The difference?

Evidence?

"The Sexual Revolution"-Present

 

[gnomon]

It motivates the best and brightest(and those who assume themselves so) to leave the gene pool, halting out progress.

Any evidence for that.

Homosexual communities are also rife with drugs and disease that they don't keep to themselves. For example, if a closet homosexual has a tryst, catches something, and brings it home to his family, don't you think that affects more than "what people willingly do behind closed doors"?

Just like any heterosexual who engages in risky behavior. Any evidence that the homosexual community is rife with drugs and disease.

Further, let's take a look at our society before homosexuality was even tolerated. It was growing, social and scientific progress was moving faster than ever before in this country's history. As soon as it became tolerated, we started decaying as a society. ** edit **

Before it was tolerated we had slavery, anti-Semitism was rampant, public lynchings without due process, women could not vote, women were prevented from holding certain jobs, children working in very unsafe conditions in factories, European nations waging massive wars, European imperialism, the bubonic plague, genocide of indigenous peoples in the whole of the Western hemisphere and much of Africa, feudalism, the Holocaust, and a host of other bad things.....all while nations for the most part were persecuting homosexuals.

This is an easy game.

I'm beginning to think this is a put on.

 

[Yes Man]

"The Sexual Revolution"-Present

I could have had a more concise response from a mime. If you're not going to elaborate and back up your claims with evidence, I'm only going to assume you have a far less logical argument against homosexuality than I thought.

Sorry if I seem cross but I'm rather tired of seeing fundamentalists seemingly back out of a good debate that could otherwise end in a polite acknowledgement of wrong in one party.

 

[Sententia]

It motivates the best and brightest(and those who assume themselves so) to leave the gene pool, halting out progress.

Thats a short sentence to contain such a concentrated lack of knowledge.

I just want to abstractly deal with this for a second....


Lets say we have A. A has B and C. B and C have D, E, F, G, H and I, D has J, K, L and E has M, N, O, F has P, Q but G has nothing... H was Gay and had nothing either and I had R, S, T, U, V and W.

You are saying H left the gene pool therefore the gene pool is weaker and therefore H must be the best and brightest but conversely G who had nothing because he died when he was 2 from falling in a well is meh...

How does your reasoning work?

Seriously you are arguing against so many incoherent things.... like the smartest and physically most adept people should mate whether they like or not and the stupid and least physically capable people should not? Where does this argument lead?

Homosexual communities are also rife with drugs and disease that they don't keep to themselves. For example, if a closet homosexual has a tryst, catches something, and brings it home to his family, don't you think that affects more than "what people willingly do behind closed doors"?

Well the idea that the society is rife with drugs is one thing. Is it more so then heterosexual lifestyles? Where do you get your data if not from your own contrived imaginary world?

Rife with disease? What data backs that up? Where are STDs decimating populations?

Further, let's take a look at our society before homosexuality was even tolerated. It was growing, social and scientific progress was moving faster than ever before in this country's history. As soon as it became tolerated, we started decaying as a society. ** edit **

Really? The queers are a scourge? Thats your closing argument?

 

[jelly]

a homosexual relationship is a relationship with two people of the same sex.
a heterosexual relationship is a relationship with two people of the different sexes.
now can somebody explain to me a bi-sexual relationship.

 

[Gjallarhorn]

a homosexual relationship is a relationship with two people of the same sex.
a heterosexual relationship is a relationship with two people of the different sexes.
now can somebody explain to me a bi-sexual relationship.

You're leaving out a term: monogamous. There are heterosexual and homosexual polygamous relationships.

A bisexual monogamous relationship is between a bisexual and a person of either gender. I still can't see what your issue is with this.

 

[jelly]

yeah monogomus is the big word.
nobody explain that bisexual relationship stuff with me.
I really could care less but I am being jumped on in chat over it.
given what you are saying it is possible for a heterosexual person to be in a bi sexual relationship because of their partners orientation despite the fact that they are heterosexual??

 

[Father Heathen]

It motivates the best and brightest(and those who assume themselves so) to leave the gene pool, halting out progress. Homosexual communities are also rife with drugs and disease that they don't keep to themselves. For example, if a closet homosexual has a tryst, catches something, and brings it home to his family, don't you think that affects more than "what people willingly do behind closed doors"? Further, let's take a look at our society before homosexuality was even tolerated. It was growing, social and scientific progress was moving faster than ever before in this country's history. As soon as it became tolerated, we started decaying as a society.

...not that I thought you had any credibility in the first place, but damn...