fallingblood
Agnostic Theist
Very good point. I stand corrected.You're assuming, of course, that Jesus actually made the "prophesy."
The meaning of these verses depends on who wrote these verses and when.
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Very good point. I stand corrected.You're assuming, of course, that Jesus actually made the "prophesy."
The meaning of these verses depends on who wrote these verses and when.
You're assuming, of course, that Jesus actually made the "prophesy."
The meaning of these verses depends on who wrote these verses and when.
Then what was the point Jesus even came?
See my thread: http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/religious-debates/114447-new-hypothesis-jesus.html On this forum.
When I asked, what was the purpose of Jesus coming, I was asking that from a Christian who already believes Jesus is the true Messiah.
Ok, I read your other thread, So, in that thread seems like you are assuming that Moses was a true prophet of God, and Jewish faith is true in a sense that it came from God. Now, as you know, one of the fundamental promises of Jewish Faith is the Coming of a Messiah.
So, now your position would be like a Jew, who disproves the Jesus as the true Messiah, and still is waiting for a Messiah that would make sense to what they believe.
But the thing is that, one of the prophesies that Jesus made, was His own return, and in the Baha'i View this is fulfilled already!
In reference to your post (accented in red) you say I am assuming. Is it not true that you are assuming that Jesus is the messiah?
I respect your belief and only say that you also need to respect the belief that I hold at the present time...that Jesus was not the messiah as set forth in the Hebrew Bible. The God in the Hebrew Bible, that Christians call the Old Testament, is the God of the Jewish people. I am not saying that the God of the Hebrew Bible can not be the God of anyone who accepts Him as God, just that He chose the Israelites to be his people, starting with Abraham. It is my belief that the Paul and others took the religion of Jesus and turned it into a religion about Jesus.Well, I think, when it comes to discussing, we should discuss from an unbiased position. But, when it comes to expressing beliefs, everyone can simply express their belief and at the same time respect other's.
Therefore, I would say, I believe that Jesus was the true Messiah, but not that I assume.
Because, the difference between assuming and belief, is that, assuming can also mean, I don't really believe, but I assume that's true, and based on this assumption, I am proving other things.
Having said that, I don't think there is anything wrong with having a discussion based on some assumptions. Because for a discussion to be useful, I think there should be a common point to start with and that common point can be some assumptions.
Matthew 16 vs 28: I tell you the truth, some who are standing here will not taste death before they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom."
Who are there? Are they even people who are more than 2000 years old now, since Jesus's kingdom is not here yet. Or should I read this allegorically other than literally.
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What you think?
Matthew 16 vs 28: I tell you the truth, some who are standing here will not taste death before they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom."
Who are there? Are they even people who are more than 2000 years old now, since Jesus's kingdom is not here yet. Or should I read this allegorically other than literally.
What you think?