homosexuality disproves evolution

[hellobunny]

homosexuality is not natural it leads to exstinction becuase homo can not pro create they die out. natural selection does not support 'homosexuality' according to natural selection gays will die out. evolutionists have been stumped there is nothing natural about gays.

 

[DarkSun]

Stop spreading misinformation.

http://www.tiem.utk.edu/~gavrila/PAPS/h.pdf

 

[lunakilo]

homosexuality is not natural it leads to exstinction becuase homo can not pro create they die out.

Quite a statement. (does homo stand for homosexuals or homo sapiens?)

And obviously wrong.

homosexuals are not sterile, they could choose to procreate. You know close your eyes and think of England (or something like that)

Most homosexuals where created by a mother and a father who where not themselves homosexuals.

 

[Breathe]

Wasn't there some study done that showed that siblings of homosexuals tend to have more children?

To the OP, homosexuality has been observed in other animals besides humans: dolphins, elephants, penguins. Try picking up the book Biological Exuberance: Animal Homosexuality and Natural Diversity by Bruce Bagemihl.

So, it's certainly not unnatural when it's so common in different species. If despite that it's so common it's still unnatural, what do you define as natural?

And, let's suppose for a second that homosexuality did disprove evolution (it doesn't, but I'll humour you): what do you propose besides evolution? Creationism? God or aliens? What religion's creationism? Name some mechanics involved in the way we were created besides popping out of thin air. And what would be the reason for homosexuality? "Sin"? It'll be interesting to see what you can discuss to argue against it.


Welcome to RF, by the way.

 

[DarkSun]

Quite a statement. (does homo stand for homosexuals or homo sapiens?)

And obviously wrong.

homosexuals are not sterile, they could choose to procreate. You know close your eyes and think of England (or something like that)

Most homosexuals where created by a mother and a father who where not themselves homosexuals.

Except even by that standard the gene would be less likely to be carried on, and should eventually die out.

Here, read this.

Two mechanisms for the maintenance of polymorphism
in genes that cause homosexuality have been
most frequently mentioned in evolutionary biology
literature: overdominance and frequency-dependent
selection via kin altruism. The former mechanism assumes
that genes inducing homosexuality provide superior
fitness in heterozygous conditions, for example, men
heterozygous for a homosexual gene may have higher
success in attracting women and/or their sperm may have
a competitive advantage over that of other men (e.g.
Hutchinson 1959; Weinrich 1987; Kirsch & Weinrich
1991; MacIntyre & Estep 1993; Miller 2000). The kinaltruism
mechanism assumes that homosexuals assist their
close relatives, thereby increasing their own inclusive
fitness (Trivers 1974; Pillard & Bailey 1998). A third
mechanism, which was briefly mentioned by Hammer &
Copeland (1994; see also McKnight 1997; Pillard &
Bailey 1998) but that has never been rigorously explored
previously, is a sexually antagonistic selection (e.g. Rice
1984; Rice & Holland 1997; Arnqvist & Rowe 2005)
under which alleles that decrease fitness of one sex are
maintained in the population because they increase the
fitness of the other sex. The potential importance of this
mechanism is highlighted by recent data which indicate
that female maternal relatives of homosexuals (Camperio-
Ciani et al. 2004) or relatives of gay men for both maternal
and paternal lines (King et al. 2005) have increased
fecundity.

http://www.tiem.utk.edu/~gavrila/PAPS/h.pdf

Wasn't there some study done that showed that siblings of homosexuals tend to have more children?

Yes. That's called kin altruism, and it's one explanation.

 

[Revoltingest]

homosexuality is not natural it leads to exstinction becuase homo can not pro create they die out. natural selection does not support 'homosexuality' according to natural selection gays will die out. evolutionists have been stumped there is nothing natural about gays.

I recall studies of tiny critters, wherein over-population was induced. This stress resulted in an increase in homosexuality.
If this results in a lower birth rate, this would make perfect sense as an evolutionary adaptation to the situation. There are
other arguments too, but it's clearly not interfering with proliferation of the species. You wouldn't argue that homosexuality
is a divine creation, rather than natural?

 

[David M]

homosexuality is not natural it leads to exstinction becuase homo can not pro create they die out. natural selection does not support 'homosexuality' according to natural selection gays will die out. evolutionists have been stumped there is nothing natural about gays.

 

[Breathe]

Yes. That's called kin altruism, and it's one explanation.

That's the one, thanks.

 

[Gunfingers]

HelloBunny, they should call you Edgar Allen, because you're obviously a Poe!

 

[HonestJoe]

HelloBunny, they should call you Edgar Allen, because you're obviously a Poe!

Quite obviously I thought. I'm surpised (and a little disapointed) anyone bothered to reply.

 

[Revoltingest]

Quite obviously I thought. I'm surpised (and a little disapointed) anyone bothered to reply.

Just in case the OP was serious, it's worth a shot.

 

[andys]

I suggest we not humour this stupid thread. The more we reply, the more we dignify the topic and provide the poster with the attention he craves.

 

[Revoltingest]

I suggest we not humour this stupid thread. The more we reply, the more we dignify the topic and provide the poster with the attention he craves.

How else would I have learned about the "faceplanet"?
That post alone makes this thread worthwhile.
But it does appear that its end is nigh.

 

[waitasec]

homosexuality is not natural it leads to exstinction becuase homo can not pro create they die out. natural selection does not support 'homosexuality' according to natural selection gays will die out. evolutionists have been stumped there is nothing natural about gays.

0 for 1

 

[Father Heathen]

homosexuality is not natural it leads to exstinction becuase homo can not pro create they die out. natural selection does not support 'homosexuality' according to natural selection gays will die out. evolutionists have been stumped there is nothing natural about gays.

In order for homosexuality to cause an extinction, every single member of species must be homosexual, which simply doesn't happen.

 

[Valjean]

ROFL!
Welcome, Bunny. You certainly chose to come on with a bang -- and you're immediately challenged.

I hope you can back up your position, as there is increasingly strong evidence that psychological diversity, including homosexuality, is adaptive in many species.

Don't let us down. We're looking forward to some lively debate and interesting new information.

 

[Alex_G]

homosexuality is not natural it leads to exstinction becuase homo can not pro create they die out. natural selection does not support 'homosexuality' according to natural selection gays will die out. evolutionists have been stumped there is nothing natural about gays.

I'll overlook the slightly flippant language. But clearly homosexuality exists, amongst the human species along with many others. Clearly its relationship with inheritance is such that it has not been a trait, if i might use such terminology, subject to extinction. It is a phenotype or manifestation of the individual and his or her character, that is constructed in such a way that holds little direct correlation with reproduction. As such rather than simple extinction, it mearly has a low percentage prevelence.

I dont appeciate your terminology in describing it as 'not natural'. Its an attempt to be derogatory and is not welcomed. You could argue that many aspects of human life, often those aspects that make it so wonderful like the arts and music are not directly linked up with a theory of evolution. It nevertheless seems innapropriate and meaningless to describe such activities as not natural.

 

[NeoWelshRevival]

HelloBunny, they should call you Edgar Allen, because you're obviously a Poe!

I am very new here and will have to confess my ignorance and give in to my curiosity on this one, what does "a poe" mean?
Ive seen it used many times on this site, I assume it carries the same mean as troll does on YouTube, just wondered about its origins and if the p-o and e were an acronym of some kind.

 

[Father Heathen]

I am very new here and will have to confess my ignorance and give in to my curiosity on this one, what does "a poe" mean?
Ive seen it used many times on this site, I assume it carries the same mean as troll does on YouTube, just wondered about its origins and if the p-o and e were an acronym of some kind.

Poe's Law - RationalWiki

 

[The Neo Nerd]

homosexuality is not natural it leads to exstinction becuase homo can not pro create they die out. natural selection does not support 'homosexuality' according to natural selection gays will die out. evolutionists have been stumped there is nothing natural about gays.

Welcome to the forum bunny.

-Q