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Big bang theory?
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Mr Spinkles
Mr
What is the sound of one hand clapping? What is the color of a bald man's hair?
Pegg
Jehovah our God is One
the big bang was an incredible surge of light in the form of electromagnetic radiation. From the light beams of the big bang came protons and neutrons and electrons etc, these produced helium and hydrogen and so forth... all the elements came together to form matter and voila, the rest is history.
and just as the writer of genesis so eloquently put it, 'God said let there be light, and there was light'
St Giordano Bruno
Well-Known Member
I could ask a creationist what was listening to God when he gave the command, "let there be light..." or "let there be a big bang..." and it obeyed his command and magically did something.
So true.
Know it all.
Shaman.
Having the "Big-Bang" as God's creation day does not mean any other aspect or attribute needs to be dropped or changed.
An identical event does not have to include an identical cause or purpose or whatever.
You repeat about calling a pair of socks as God but that is your own degradation and no realistic logic would give such a comparison.
And calling God as the Universe is equivalent to God as "nature" or "mother-earth" which are long standing doctrines, Link 1 and Link 2.
Einstein was correct in saying: "Science without Religion Is Lame, Religion without Science Is Blind".
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the big bang was an incredible surge of light in the form of electromagnetic radiation. From the light beams of the big bang came protons and neutrons and electrons etc, these produced helium and hydrogen and so forth... all the elements came together to form matter and voila, the rest is history.
and just as the writer of genesis so eloquently put it, 'God said let there be light, and there was light'
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PolyHedral
Superabacus Mystic
the big bang was an incredible surge of light in the form of electromagnetic radiation. From the light beams of the big bang came protons and neutrons and electrons etc, these produced helium and hydrogen and so forth... all the elements came together to form matter and voila, the rest is history.
and just as the writer of genesis so eloquently put it, 'God said let there be light, and there was light'
outhouse
Atheistically
Okay, but then you're saying that God wasn't equivalent to the Big Bang event but was rather simply present or caused it -- such as, perhaps, saying that the BBE is how God created. If so then I misinterpreted you, but this position is no less troublesome because it lacks justification.
Pegg
Jehovah our God is One
wonderful how language has the ability to roll all that into a few short sentences.
Know it all.
Shaman.
Justice and justification are long-long-time lost endeavors for people as it has been for humanity and science will never solve that dilemma.Okay, but then you're saying that God wasn't equivalent to the Big Bang event but was rather simply present or caused it -- such as, perhaps, saying that the BBE is how God created. If so then I misinterpreted you, but this position is no less troublesome because it lacks justification.
What I said and say is that the "Big-Bang" is a scientific proof of a "creation day" and that creation day is a type of proof for a Creator whether we call that Creator as "God" or "the Universe" or "nature" or whatever it might be called.
Science gives us evidence more than proofs as like we can not see gravity but we see the effects and then give that the name as "gravity" for the invisible force. And as is told "Newton and Einstein" gave greatly different understandings as to what was the "gravity" and now we have the concepts of "Dark matter and dark energy" which are redefining the invisible force called gravity.
I find that Einstein had an edge over other scientist because Einstein took some of his ideas out of the Bible, as like in several text of the Bible it speaks of God changing time and of God having different measures of time. One example here Psalms 90:4, and another one here Genesis 6:3, and such text might mean little to most people but to a truth seeker then there are many such passages that give huge insight into the condition of man and to the universe and to "time" which Einstein capitalized on - and rightly so.
"Science without Religion Is Lame, Religion without Science Is Blind".
:drool:
PolyHedral
Superabacus Mystic
He probably didn't, sorry. Special Relativity falls fairly "simply" (this is theoretical cosmology we're talking about) out of the available facts, notably that the speed of light is constant in all directions.
Although Albert Einstein did not believe in a personal God his discoveries induced a reverential attitude in him. He admitted: "You will hardly find one among the profunder sort of scientific minds without a religious feeling of his own. Religious feeling takes the form of a rapturous amazement at the harmony of the law, which reveals an intelligence of such superiority that compared with it, all the systematic thinking and acting of human beeings is an utterly insignificant reflection".
In other words this unverse is too wonderfully made to be the outcome of a random explosion !!!
Have a nice day.
I doubt that Einstein relied on the Bible in any sense since he didn't believe in a personal God.
Also, the BBE isn't evidence of a "creation day." In order for it to be so you'd have to demonstrate that it was the beginning of material existence, which as far as we know it wasn't. It was indeed the beginning of the current STATE of the universe but no god is required for its explanation.
Again, your position lacks justification. I'm not talking about "justice." I'm talking about epistemic justification, that which gives beliefs warrant to be believed by evidence (metaphysical and empirical).
Nah, given things like gravity you'd be surprised how "wonderfully made" a system can be.
what good reason do we have to believe that God was not necessary at the point of creation whenever it occurred? Was Hawking there at that time?
Hi Meow!
Creationist believe, given the nature of eternity, it is probable that there has been several big bangs. We are allowed only to experience this last Big Bang. If there is eternal life, then we might have experienced other BBs. but just don't know we did.
Creationist do not relate the universe with God, except the creationist think God created this universe and all other universes. Your "If's" make a tremendous differences and creates another premise other than the premises of a creationist's premises. In this case you use a language without an ontological premise.You begin to talk about God as if God was an existence of cosmology. That is not the "normal" definition of common religious thinking and the socks you darned do not aplly here. See, you are the one that strips God of his true meaning.