PolyHedral
Superabacus Mystic
But the very concept of unknowns doesn't make sense; God knows literally everything.
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Did God want the Devil?
- Thread starter SaintMalachi
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Etritonakin
Well-Known Member
Why does it not make sense?
Gen 22:12 And he said, Lay not thine hand upon the lad, neither do thou any thing unto him: for now I know that thou fearest God, seeing thou hast not withheld thy son, thine only son from me.
I'd really like to explain it in more detail, but am busy at present. It's a complicated subject -but awesome.
Gen 22:12 And he said, Lay not thine hand upon the lad, neither do thou any thing unto him: for now I know that thou fearest God, seeing thou hast not withheld thy son, thine only son from me.
I'd really like to explain it in more detail, but am busy at present. It's a complicated subject -but awesome.
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Skwim
Veteran Member
UGH! The free will argument.
sandy whitelinger
Veteran Member
It would seem so. It also seems that without the perception of dualities (yin and yang) that exist in the universe that we would have absolutely no understanding of it.
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sandy whitelinger
Veteran Member
Auuuugggghhhhh!UGH! The free will argument.
the rejection of the free-will argument.
Midnight Pete
Well-Known Member
I'm glad someone pointed that out. :yes:
sandy whitelinger
Veteran Member
Hopefully you don't mean my mispelling of "it." A misplaced "t" really screws up the meaning.
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Midnight Pete
Well-Known Member
Hopefully you don't mean my mispelling of "it." A misplaced "t" really screws up the meaniing.
I didn't even notice that typo until you pointed it out.
sandy whitelinger
Veteran Member
I ca'nt seen to taype for nutin todae!
PolyHedral
Superabacus Mystic
Um, what? Why is some sort of dualism required to infer that God meant for Lucifer to fall?
Yes, auuugh, this again.Auuuugggghhhhh!
However, I'm still not really understanding how "free will" is a sensible concept when God can see the future.that is a pretty lame explanation,at least zoroastrianism had ahriman as ahuras shadow self...it was at least a little more honest
Skwim
Veteran Member
Dirty Penguin
Master Of Ceremony
...........My signature answers the question.....
SaintMalachi
DEATH
How do you know you ever met the man?
Midnight Pete
Well-Known Member
God is not a man, and wasn't even when Jesus Christ walked the earth.
Kriya Yogi
Dharma and Love for God
To understand the question you must understand God's creation. This physical creation is a play of light and shadow. He wants us to play and experience his play of this physical world. The thing is along with the creation of man our destiny is to rise above this delusion of Maya. This whole existance that seems like reality is really a delusion that we must overcome.
With that being said yes God created everything including Satan that Jesus was referring to. Satan is not a physical entity but rather the veil that separates us and makes us ignorant of God's true being in Spirit. God has permitted this darkness and evil in the world to make man eventually realize this is not a home we want to be apart of. Through pain we look elsewhere towards the light. For if our world and universe did not have evil or pain in it then why would we ever look else where for hope or God.
So you see its all a means for man through his own free will and wisdom born of experience to rise above the dualistic nature of this world.
With that being said yes God created everything including Satan that Jesus was referring to. Satan is not a physical entity but rather the veil that separates us and makes us ignorant of God's true being in Spirit. God has permitted this darkness and evil in the world to make man eventually realize this is not a home we want to be apart of. Through pain we look elsewhere towards the light. For if our world and universe did not have evil or pain in it then why would we ever look else where for hope or God.
So you see its all a means for man through his own free will and wisdom born of experience to rise above the dualistic nature of this world.
Midnight Pete
Well-Known Member
Like Plato's Parable of the Cave?
Kriya Yogi
Dharma and Love for God
It's similar. I would compare it to a movie on a movie screen where God is a projecting the light that we think is real, only to walk out of the movies realizing it was just a movie and not real at all.
no-body
Well-Known Member
If the Christian God allows the devil dominion over the earth to teach mankind a lesson, He is indeed an evil sick God. The free will argument always eventually ends with the words "it is a mystery" when you ask for clarification. God gives us these standards for living which are called "good" but we are not allowed to question them or his motives?
This means of course that God is an evil tyrant and that Lucifer is the hero. The Christians argue other wise contrary to evidence but only because all they really care about is being on the winning team.
This means of course that God is an evil tyrant and that Lucifer is the hero. The Christians argue other wise contrary to evidence but only because all they really care about is being on the winning team.
Dirty Penguin
Master Of Ceremony
For what purpose and to what end...because the actions of this "God" does sound as though it is omniscient/omnipotent/omnipresent....