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Why does God allow bad things to happen

bhaktajan

Active Member
how his acts can be portrayed as loving.
going to punish others for not believing him. It's not in my moral code, I'm sorry.

Are You vegetarian?
Are You a being that is above the bestial stratum of biological existance?


A non-vegetarian lives in a dynamism that allow for slaughter [Bible references an idea: 'beat you swords to Plowshares' ---as the means to a Utopia].

The atheists' quagmire is:
There is no God, yet, the atheist may consider himself 'above the bestial stratum of biological existance' ---thus concluding that he may aspire for "King of the Hill" while he has a chance.

But the status quo is that we are all in this together without any place to disappear to. Our collective duty culminates with to do our alloted duty, be self-less with ourselves in the service of others and ultimately to seek out the Supreme Personality of Godhead, as the meaning of life.
 

outhouse

Atheistically
I believe it has to be proof that He doesn't exist

you cant prove a myth doesnt exist can you ???

in my opinion the god myth doesnt do good or bad. he never has except for ancient times and only during the time the storys of the bible were dreamed up.

in my opinion, the reason there are no miracles now a days is because the truth cant get stretched they way it used to because so many people are literate as well as our communication skills are far surpassed. primitive miracles for primitive people. Mordern times = no miracles
 

Starsoul

Truth
And torturous diseases that affect children are necessary to maintain free will how exactly?
Why isn't the industrial revolution a cause of genetic disease while substituting naturally available ingestibles with chemically proved and preserved cancerous carcinogens( substances causing cancer)?

Are you totally denying human hand in the axis of misery and evil?

Perhaps God will allow all humans to see how much chaos they are capable of causing to themselves and how much destruction they can actually bring to the entire humanity before he finally takes them to task for it.
 

bhaktajan

Active Member
Originally Posted by bhaktajan
Why is God 'Killing'? He's not killing.
It's the Past-Works-Fructifying (sankrit: 'karma-phalam' ~fruits of works).


The Christian God has. just look at the OT. And, Christians don't believe in karma in that sense (not the ones I've spoken to anyhow) so it doesn't apply to my post.

look at the OT

Oh, so we have God Fully revealed look at the OT, walking [or hovering above the earth?] around killing GOOD PEOPLE ---quite un-like in the Rambo Movies????

We have stories of God acting & doing things??
What other famous well-known accounting of what "God had done" do we have written in the Bible. [BTW, what other world religions have stories of God's Acts that are known and recorded by mankind?].

"The Christian God has"
So what is that classification of civil Law Classes deals with such cases?
Am I to assume that the world prisons are filled with Christian God killers?
What percentage of prison inmates are incarcerated for being Christian God killers?

Christians don't believe in karma
Are you Christian?
Which Guru did you study the Laws of Karma from?

"Karma" means "Actions". Period!
"Karma-phalam" means "Fruits of Actions". Period!
"Karmic-reaction" means "Actions that later return an accrued re-action". Period!
Western Civilsation aberrated reference to Karma is known by the rule:
"For every action there is a equal and opposite re-action" --Sir Isaac Newton.

ergo,
Christian do indeed know all about "Karma".

also,
Christian do indeed know all about "transmigration of the soul" [aka, re-incarnation ~sanskrit: samsara] ---'Whom ever believes** in me . . . will have eternal life in heaven'

**the belief or faith referred to here is:
"JESUS ROSE FROM THE DEAD and ASCENDED to HEAVEN" ===>> FYI: That is re-incarnation of the indivisible & individual soul to a re-birth in God's Transcendent spiritual heaven, where transient time does not exist.

Lest, the future re-birth in heaven occurs via grace of the Spiritual Master's benediction ---we will remain spirits in the material world, where transient Time exist, in the repeated cycle of birth & death (samsara), while performing 4-catagories of actions(work) done by all the "8,400,000 variegated species/forms of sentient beings:
1 Eat (sustenance)
2 Sleep (rejuvenate)
3 mate (re-produce)
4 Defend (seek shelter)

I appreciate your arguments, as long as they are sincere [not false] suppositions.

The Hare Krishna maha-mantra Chanting Devotee of Vishnu cousin,
Bhaktajan
 

Starsoul

Truth
It's something I have always wondered and which keeps me from the Christian view of God. You live a good faithful life - doing everything God would want you to do, nothing bad at all - yet you'll still suffer in some form.

If in the past God has acted, why not now? Why just say that He will judge everyone one day - because it is today that His children are suffering and He stands by claiming he loves us, yet leaves us.
I have Never seen people not suffer miserably for causing mayhem to others, thats one form of suffering that happens human to human. I have seen people's arrogance bite the dust when they strut about pompously cajoling other people, not that one would wish for it, it just happens on its own if you are patient in manner.

As for the judgment, it is passed everyday, what goes around comes around, and that is the rule of the world, not just one faith.
 

Starsoul

Truth
A person kills and they are evil, a God kills and they are loving. I don't understand it.
The difference is that a person kills for malice, money, jealousy or pride. God kills for calling his people to a better place, heaven, How can one not see the difference?
 

bhaktajan

Active Member
Seeing as one of those was my post - yes, I am vegetarian.

So you are surrounded by flesh eaters ["Fleisch" in German is the word 'meat'] ---it is written in the Vedas: "There is danger at every step in the material world" ---So, as the Zen masters & thus, the Samurai knew to Practice: Death is a Vail's thickness away. It is the blessing of Human-Birth [aka, Human-Consciouness] that we 'prepare for death' by learning how to both:
a] not lose lucid-consciouness,
b] have a single-minded goal in mind at the time of death.

Yoga [lit: re-link; similar to re-ligio] is the classical path for orthodox hindus designed to attain "self-realisation" ---IOW, full knowledge that:
"I am not this material body & Ego . . . I am Spirit soul entrapped in the material world of repeated births & deaths since time-immemorial"
 
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Nerthus

Wanderlust
I have Never seen people not suffer miserably for causing mayhem to others, thats one form of suffering that happens human to human.

I'm sure there are many people who don't suffer for causing misery to others. And, many reasons for this.


Why this is a disbelievers chance to rant?

Why God allows bad things to happen.

The difference is that a person kills for malice, money, jealousy or pride. God kills for calling his people to a better place, heaven, How can one not see the difference?

Killing is killing in my book. There is never any justification for it. I can't understand why people feel it's okay for God to just kill off whoever He feels like - and not only that, but cause them to suffer for a simple nonsensical reason.
 

Nerthus

Wanderlust
bhaktajan - I am talking about Christianity mainly here, I don't quite see why you're bringing all that into it?
 

Riverwolf

Amateur Rambler / Proud Ergi
Premium Member
So you are surrounded by flesh eaters ["Fleisch" in German is the word 'meat'] ---it is written in the Vedas: "There is danger at every step in the material world" ---So, as the Zen masters & thus, the Samurai knew to Practice: Death is a Vail's thickness away. It is the blessing of Human-Birth [aka, Human-Consciouness] that we 'prepare for death' by learning how to both:
a] not lose lucid-consciouness,
b] have a single-minded goal in mind at the time of death.

Yoga [lit: re-link; similar to re-ligio] is the classical path for orthodox hindus designed to attain "self-realisation" ---IOW, full knowledge that:
"I am not this material body & Ego . . . I am Spirit soul entrapped in the material world of repeated births & deaths since time-immemorial"

Dude, we're primarily talking about the 100% dualistic God-concept, wherein God, soul, and the world are completely separate from each other. We're also talking about a cosmology in which we don't get reborn in this world, but wherein we get one chance at life in this world, and if we pass the test, we get an eternity in heaven, and if we fail, an eternity in hell.

Vedic cosmology isn't applicable to this debate, and neither does vegetarianism. I'm frankly not sure why you even brought that up; it seems completely random.
 

bhaktajan

Active Member
what goes around comes around, and that is the rule of the world, not just one faith.

Karma is the re-actions that the elements of physic have while interacting amongst itself.
The physical elements of physic are like inert/impersonal marbles [atoms] bouncing and re-bounding off each other. It is the persona that is present in the form of consciousness that brings animation to mundane material forms and inventions.

God is a persona with hios own birth-right as Godhead ---we are parts and parcel sparks of the Supreme Soul ---this is revealed in any honest Theistic & literal translation of the Bhagavad-gita as it is in the Gita's original purport.

So regardless of faith ---the karmic interaction of material elements of the cosmos are inert ---whereas the Conscious Spirit Soul is an individual indivisable Persona, but due to ego-conditioning along with the allure of base sensual-gratification, the soul is thinking They are the Pemporal Body & Ego ---so, at death, the final sentiments that well-up in the soon to pass lifetime, aspires to continue their unfinished unsatiated mundane/base/emphemeral desires; in lieu of un-alloyed devotional service(s) to Godhead.

Repeated births are subjective oblivion-istic surjourns through time and space and forms at the spped of whim bypassed by other overlapping whims in-ad-infinitum ---in the field of activities of relative (in-absolute) transient existence, like the adventures of "Gumby & Pokey'.

The catch is:
God is the Absolute. So absolute knowledge can ONLY be obtained by an unbroken chain of disciples that represent the absolute ---this 'rule of thumb' applies to all skill-sets and trade guilds ---knowledge must be past down from the absolute source. If such source is un-available. Then there is no means to get bonefide membership. The example is given:
"How does one know who there father really is? Ask your mother" ---this refers to how knowledge "desends". It is a mis-conception to think knowledge may be obtained by the "ascending prosess" ---we cannot self-generate knowledge by intellectual prowess.

All complex mechanisms are predicated upon the repeated super-imposition of the most basic mechanical laws. 2+2=4 for the poor and for the ultra rich.
Whether we use a can-opener or a construction-site crane: the rules of a "Mechanical Lever" operates by the same principles.
Whether we use a shoval or a construction-site bulldozer: the "Mechanical rules" are the same.
 

bhaktajan

Active Member
bhaktajan - I am talking about Christianity mainly here, I don't quite see why you're bringing all that into it?

If so, will I find citations of Christian Scripture sprinkled in all the eariler postings here?

If not then ---Christianity mental speculation being talked about here.

Don't worry there are no corporate espinoge being done here with some ones propietery information.

I am presenting intellectual maxims ---2,000 years and counting or not.
 

Nerthus

Wanderlust
If so, will I find citations of Christian Scripture sprinkled in all the eariler postings here?

I said I am. So if you respond to a post I make about the Christian God, I'd expect your response to reflect that.

Right now, your responses aren't reflecting anything I have mentioned.
 
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bhaktajan

Active Member
Microcosim & macrocosism can not be seperated from each other ---it is an absolute relationship.

bhaktajan - I am talking about Christianity mainly here, I don't quite see why you're bringing all that into it?

Sorry to confuse you.
I have reveiwed my postings in the light of this cited objection, and thus I advise you to re-read my post ---which deleting all eastern mystic references/terminologies/Text-Books [ie: Vedic cosmology, Bhagavad-Gita, samsara] ---and thus my posts can be read in a true objective anaysis of existance.

And overlook the provinance of my attempts at scholarship.
 
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