Alceste
Vagabond
Now why can I not find a job this awesome?
From what I understand, the US is in really bad shape right now as far as employment is concerned. Why not move to Canada?
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Now why can I not find a job this awesome?
From what I understand, the US is in really bad shape right now as far as employment is concerned. Why not move to Canada?
Too cold during the winter. But other than that, I hear that Canada is an awesome place to live. :yes:
From what I understand, the US is in really bad shape right now as far as employment is concerned. Why not move to Canada?
Why not simply make some sort of job a requirement to receive unemployment, with unemployment paying the difference between what you used to make and what you are now making at McDonald's? This would get people off their *****, help them keep their sense of self-respect, and save money for the government. (And likely grow small businesses in the process by expanding the minimum-wage workforce, and perhaps even limiting the available jobs for illegal immigrants.)
Another route could be the stipulation that you must be enrolled in some sort of training or schooling in order to make yourself more marketable in a changing workforce, with unemployment paying part or all of the enrollment fees.
It seems to me we should almost have some sort of job (or school/training) requirement to receive unemployment. :areyoucra
Now hear me out: There never seems to be a lack of minimum wage jobs. The problem is that minimum wage is not a livable wage for the majority of people (particularly with families), and it is also likely a huge paycut from whatever adults established in a career had been making before they lost their job. So, it makes more sense to stay on unemployment, receiving more money than they would if they took the minimum wage job.
Why not simply make some sort of job a requirement to receive unemployment, with unemployment paying the difference between what you used to make and what you are now making at McDonald's? This would get people off their *****, help them keep their sense of self-respect, and save money for the government. (And likely grow small businesses in the process by expanding the minimum-wage workforce, and perhaps even limiting the available jobs for illegal immigrants.)
Another route could be the stipulation that you must be enrolled in some sort of training or schooling in order to make yourself more marketable in a changing workforce, with unemployment paying part or all of the enrollment fees.
It could be at a nice local diner if you prefer. The government is not picky.I'm sorry, are you saying that being forced by the government to work at McDonalds for minimum wage = keeping your self respect?
1) It would not be intended to be a permanent shift, but temporary, as unemployment benefits are intended to be temporary. Sometimes in life you gotta clean the toilet, and if the government is throwing extra money your way for doing it, then so much the better.Alceste said:Anyway, the UK proposed a forced labour model and I criticized it on my blog. In a nutshell, it does not solve the problem of unemployment, it simply shifts the demographics of unemployment. When ex-electricians are forced by the government to take the low-skill jobs formerly done (voluntarily and sometimes enthusiastically) by people just entering the work-force (the young and immigrants), then all you've accomplished is destroying the dignity of skilled workers while making unskilled immigrants and teenagers welfare-dependant.
Um...It seems to me we should almost have some sort of job (or school/training) requirement to receive unemployment. :areyoucra
Now hear me out: There never seems to be a lack of minimum wage jobs. The problem is that minimum wage is not a livable wage for the majority of people (particularly with families), and it is also likely a huge paycut from whatever adults established in a career had been making before they lost their job. So, it makes more sense to stay on unemployment, receiving more money than they would if they took the minimum wage job.
Why not simply make some sort of job a requirement to receive unemployment, with unemployment paying the difference between what you used to make and what you are now making at McDonald's? This would get people off their *****, help them keep their sense of self-respect, and save money for the government. (And likely grow small businesses in the process by expanding the minimum-wage workforce, and perhaps even limiting the available jobs for illegal immigrants.)
Another route could be the stipulation that you must be enrolled in some sort of training or schooling in order to make yourself more marketable in a changing workforce, with unemployment paying part or all of the enrollment fees.
Yeah. What part do you disagree with or did not understand?Um...
Are you in the USA?
Cause it seems to me that unemployment is based on how much you made when you were working...
If you are unable to find work at a minimum wage job because no minimum wage job will hire your over qualified self?Yeah. What part do you disagree with or did not understand?
If you are unable to find work at a minimum wage job because no minimum wage job will hire your over qualified self?
Just seems to me that there would be a ton of details that needs be worked out.
I am not agreeing or disagreeing with the idea, just wondering about all the details...
It could be at a nice local diner if you prefer. The government is not picky.
Personally, it would be a greater blow to my self-esteem to not work, than to work at a less-than-prestigious locale. I would think that a job, doing hard-work, would be more empowering than the lack there of.
Besides, retention of self-respect is not the main point. It might be a nice side-effect for some, and it might not for others. The object here is unemployment and jobs, not building self-esteem.
1) It would not be intended to be a permanent shift, but temporary, as unemployment benefits are intended to be temporary. Sometimes in life you gotta clean the toilet, and if the government is throwing extra money your way for doing it, then so much the better.
2) The original subject of this OP was the fact that there is a surplus of minimum wage jobs, which means the teens are not filling up all the vacancies. Plus, there's all those "undesirable" jobs that are being filled by illegal immigrants.
I would link the OP, but that seems a bit ridiculous. Did you forget which thread you were in?Can you give me a link on the "surplus of jobs" you're talking about?
I don't know where you are getting the idea of "forced labor placement". A person would be responsible for finding their own job. It need not be a minimum wage job. They merely seem abundant and relatively easy to land. But a lot of middle tier jobs are going unfilled as well, since people don't want to take a pay cut if they don't absolutely have to.Alceste said:Anyway I don't think the government should get into the forced labour placement agency business on behalf of private, for-profit companies then pay the wages too.
Right now, unemployment pays you around what you were making at your previous job. So let's have a simple example. Say you were making $15 /hr when your company laid you off. You then go find a job at McDonald's for $7.50/hr. Under my idea, the government would also pay you unemployment of $7.50/hr of work so that you are still making $15 an hour. It saves the government half the money they would already have been spending.Alceste said:If the gov't can afford that, they might as well hire people directly for infrastructure projects. A partnership between gov't and private industry is too susceptible to waste and corruption. As the state of the US in general amply demonstrates. Besides that, it would distort the labour market and depress wages for people not on assistance.
I would link the OP, but that seems a bit ridiculous. Did you forget which thread you were in?
On the other hand, I would support a training program, provided the individual in need of assistance chooses the program rather than having it assigned to them and told they have to attend or lose their benefits. Education doesn`t take unless the student has a genuine desire to learn.
Training programs are often an expensive joke. Government likes fashionable programs, no matter what their value. I heard an
interview on the radio recently with a gal who just earned a degree, but was having no luck finding employment. She talked about
all the innovative steps she'd taken & how hard she looked. Then it came out that her degree was in "international diversity studies".
What on Earth would that qualify anyone to actually do of value? Sounds like 4 years of study down the drain.
Well then, if training is useless.....