The qur'an and Islamic terrorism

[Autodidact]

What, if any, is the relationship between the words of the qur'an and the actions of Islamic terrorists? I'll quote a few passages, to start:

3:151 We shall cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve because they ascribe unto Allah partners, for which no warrant hath been revealed. Their habitation is the Fire, and hapless the abode of the wrong-doers.

4:76 Those who believe do battle for the cause of Allah; and those who disbelieve do battle for the cause of idols. So fight the minions of the devil. Lo! the devil's strategy is ever weak.

4:74 Let those fight in the way of Allah who sell the life of this world for the other. Whoso fighteth in the way of Allah, be he slain or be he victorious, on him We shall bestow a vast reward.

I will throw fear into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Then smite the necks and smite of them each finger. 8:13 That is because they opposed Allah and His messenger. Whoso opposeth Allah and His messenger, (for him) lo! Allah is severe in punishment. 8:14 That (is the award), so taste it, and (know) that for disbelievers is the torment of the Fire. 8:15 O ye who believe! When ye meet those who disbelieve in battle, turn not your backs to them. 8:16 Whoso on that day turneth his back to them, unless manoeuvring for battle or intent to join a company, he truly hath incurred wrath from Allah, and his habitation will be hell, a hapless journey's end. 8:17 Ye (Muslims) slew them not, but Allah slew them. And thou (Muhammad) threwest not when thou didst throw, but Allah threw, that He might test the believers by a fair test from Him. Lo! Allah is Hearer, Knower.

9:5 Then, when the sacred months have passed, slay the idolaters wherever ye find them, and take them (captive), and besiege them, and prepare for them each ambush. But if they repent and establish worship and pay the poor-due, then leave their way free. Lo! Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.

9:29 Fight against such of those who have been given the Scripture as believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, and forbid not that which Allah hath forbidden by His messenger, and follow not the Religion of Truth, until they pay the tribute readily, being brought low.

8:39 Fight them until faithlessness is no more, and religion becomes exclusively for Allah. But if they relinquish, Allah indeed sees best what they do.

9:123 O ye who believe! fight the unbelievers who gird you about, and let them find firmness in you: and know that Allah is with those who fear Him.



47:4 "So, when you clash with the unbelieving Infidels in battle (fighting Jihad in Allah's Cause), smite their necks until you overpower them, killing and wounding many of them. At length, when you have thoroughly subdued them, bind them firmly, making (them) captives."


That will do to get us started.

 

[Rainbow Mage]

Another one of these threads? ::Sighs::

 

[Thesavorofpan]

Such a loving God....

 

[Rainbow Mage]

Such a loving God....

The Bible god isn't that loving either...

 

[Thesavorofpan]

The Bible god isn't that loving either...

Much more loving then Allah.

 

[Rainbow Mage]

Much more loving then Allah.

Yes, I'm sure the Canaanites would agree with that :sarcastic

 

[EtuMalku]

Isn't it basically the same god? The Abrahamic god of Judaism, Christianity and Islam?
How many religions can this tyrant hide in?

 

[Thesavorofpan]

Yes, I'm sure the Canaanites would agree with that :sarcastic

Of course since a lot of them lived and held captive the Isarelites many times.

 

[Rainbow Mage]

Of course since a lot of them lived and held captive the Isarelites many times.

And why did they do that? Who started that whole conflict? Who went into who's land and tried to take it over?

 

[.lava]

What, if any, is the relationship between the words of the qur'an and the actions of Islamic terrorists? I'll quote a few passages, to start:

3:151 We shall cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve because they ascribe unto Allah partners, for which no warrant hath been revealed. Their habitation is the Fire, and hapless the abode of the wrong-doers.

4:76 Those who believe do battle for the cause of Allah; and those who disbelieve do battle for the cause of idols. So fight the minions of the devil. Lo! the devil's strategy is ever weak.

4:74 Let those fight in the way of Allah who sell the life of this world for the other. Whoso fighteth in the way of Allah, be he slain or be he victorious, on him We shall bestow a vast reward.

I will throw fear into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Then smite the necks and smite of them each finger. 8:13 That is because they opposed Allah and His messenger. Whoso opposeth Allah and His messenger, (for him) lo! Allah is severe in punishment. 8:14 That (is the award), so taste it, and (know) that for disbelievers is the torment of the Fire. 8:15 O ye who believe! When ye meet those who disbelieve in battle, turn not your backs to them. 8:16 Whoso on that day turneth his back to them, unless manoeuvring for battle or intent to join a company, he truly hath incurred wrath from Allah, and his habitation will be hell, a hapless journey's end. 8:17 Ye (Muslims) slew them not, but Allah slew them. And thou (Muhammad) threwest not when thou didst throw, but Allah threw, that He might test the believers by a fair test from Him. Lo! Allah is Hearer, Knower.

9:5 Then, when the sacred months have passed, slay the idolaters wherever ye find them, and take them (captive), and besiege them, and prepare for them each ambush. But if they repent and establish worship and pay the poor-due, then leave their way free. Lo! Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.

9:29 Fight against such of those who have been given the Scripture as believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, and forbid not that which Allah hath forbidden by His messenger, and follow not the Religion of Truth, until they pay the tribute readily, being brought low.

8:39 Fight them until faithlessness is no more, and religion becomes exclusively for Allah. But if they relinquish, Allah indeed sees best what they do.

9:123 O ye who believe! fight the unbelievers who gird you about, and let them find firmness in you: and know that Allah is with those who fear Him.



47:4 "So, when you clash with the unbelieving Infidels in battle (fighting Jihad in Allah's Cause), smite their necks until you overpower them, killing and wounding many of them. At length, when you have thoroughly subdued them, bind them firmly, making (them) captives."


That will do to get us started.

so? i have time. come one by one and tell me what you think it is wrong with verses you offered here. i personally don't see problem since they are mostly about war. i don't like war either but i would not like a man who would not defend his people

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[Thesavorofpan]

And why did they do that? Who started that whole conflict? Who went into who's land and tried to take it over?

It was never there land to begin with. It was promised to Abraham who received it without much bloodshed, Then Jacob his grandson and his sons where forced to be moved to egypt by extreme famine and you know the rest.

 

[EtuMalku]

Really?
Let's start here . . . "Those who believe do battle for the cause of Allah"

 

[Rainbow Mage]

I can't believe with all the resources people have now, and public libraries and such, that people don't take time to learn about the Canaanites. The Canaanites were not a evil culture, they were a very civilized and sophisticated culture. The organization of their society rivaled that of the Egyptians and Greeks. Who is really the bad guy in the story when outsiders go into Canaan and try to conquer it by bloodshed?

 

[Rainbow Mage]

It was never there land to begin with. It was promised to Abraham who received it without much bloodshed, Then Jacob his grandson and his sons where forced to be moved to egypt by extreme famine and you know the rest.

So the ancient Jews claimed anyway to justify their cause...

 

[Wotan]

9:29 Fight against such of those who have been given the Scripture as believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, and forbid not that which Allah hath forbidden by His messenger, and follow not the Religion of Truth, until they pay the tribute readily, being brought low.

That's not war. Its tyranny.

 

[.lava]

Really?
Let's start here . . . "Those who believe do battle for the cause of Allah"

i assume you're telling me alright, i'll offer a better translation..

4:76 those who believe (who are âmenû) fight in the Way of Allah, and those who disbelieve fight in the way of the Tâgût (satans, and satans from the men and jinn). Fight therefore against the friends of the Shaitan (Satan); surely the plot of Satan is weak.

so? what about it?

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[.lava]

9:29 Fight against such of those who have been given the Scripture as believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, and forbid not that which Allah hath forbidden by His messenger, and follow not the Religion of Truth, until they pay the tribute readily, being brought low.

That's not war. Its tyranny.

that is war and entire surah number 9 is about war

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[Badran]

What, if any, is the relationship between the words of the qur'an and the actions of Islamic terrorists?

Glad that you acknowledge the possibility that there isn't any relationship. To answer your question, there is the quran and there is people's interpretation of it. Most muslims are not terrorists and they do not interpret the quran as the terrorists do. Also there are clear countless rules in the quran that contradicts with the actions of Islamic terrorists. The leaders of radical groups and such i believe are intentionally twisting the teachings to fit with their desired goals. However, of course some people might actually be convinced by those false interpretations of those radicals, and actually think that their religion is urging them to do these things.

3:151 We shall cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve because they ascribe unto Allah partners, for which no warrant hath been revealed. Their habitation is the Fire, and hapless the abode of the wrong-doers.

This is god telling and promising muslims that he will fill their enemies hearts with fear, and its connected with a certain incident, not in general. Those enemies are also clarified to be going to hell.

4:76 Those who believe do battle for the cause of Allah; and those who disbelieve do battle for the cause of idols. So fight the minions of the devil. Lo! the devil's strategy is ever weak.

4:74 Let those fight in the way of Allah who sell the life of this world for the other. Whoso fighteth in the way of Allah, be he slain or be he victorious, on him We shall bestow a vast reward.

There is one in the middle of those two which explains it better, so here's is the three:

74. Let those fight in the cause of Allah Who sell the life of this world for the hereafter. To him who fighteth in the cause of Allah,- whether he is slain or gets victory - Soon shall We give him a reward of great (value).

75. And why should ye not fight in the cause of Allah and of those who, being weak, are ill-treated (and oppressed)?- Men, women, and children, whose cry is: "Our Lord! Rescue us from this town, whose people are oppressors; and raise for us from thee one who will protect; and raise for us from thee one who will help!"

76. Those who believe fight in the cause of Allah, and those who reject Faith Fight in the cause of Evil: So fight ye against the friends of Satan: feeble indeed is the cunning of Satan.

The first verse is clarifying that whoever gets killed while fighting in a good cause, a cause for god, which includes defending one's self and defending others will be rewarded dearly for that. And fighting in the cause of god does not mean that you're fighting unbelievers to make them muslims, and it doesn't even necessarily mean you're fighting unbelievers. Then the second verse is very obvious which explains why this is going on, and the last one is saying that those who are fighting in the name of allah are the believers, and that those who do not are fighting in the name of evil, also not in general, in this particular case which the Quran is referring to. The people who were inflicting injustices upon others etc...

I will throw fear into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Then smite the necks and smite of them each finger. 8:13 That is because they opposed Allah and His messenger. Whoso opposeth Allah and His messenger, (for him) lo! Allah is severe in punishment. 8:14 That (is the award), so taste it, and (know) that for disbelievers is the torment of the Fire. 8:15 O ye who believe! When ye meet those who disbelieve in battle, turn not your backs to them. 8:16 Whoso on that day turneth his back to them, unless manoeuvring for battle or intent to join a company, he truly hath incurred wrath from Allah, and his habitation will be hell, a hapless journey's end. 8:17 Ye (Muslims) slew them not, but Allah slew them. And thou (Muhammad) threwest not when thou didst throw, but Allah threw, that He might test the believers by a fair test from Him. Lo! Allah is Hearer, Knower.

Here are the verses right before it:

9. Remember ye implored the assistance of your Lord, and He answered you: "I will assist you with a thousand of the angels, ranks on ranks."

10. Allah made it but a message of hope, and an assurance to your hearts: (in any case) there is no help except from Allah. and Allah is Exalted in Power, Wise.

11. Remember He covered you with a sort of drowsiness, to give you calm as from Himself, and he caused rain to descend on you from heaven, to clean you therewith, to remove from you the stain of Satan, to strengthen your hearts, and to plant your feet firmly therewith.

12. Remember thy Lord inspired the angels (with the message): "I am with you: give firmness to the Believers: I will instil terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them."

13. This because they contended against Allah and His Messenger. If any contend against Allah and His Messenger, Allah is strict in punishment.

I hope its obvious its talking about a particular case here too.

9:5 Then, when the sacred months have passed, slay the idolaters wherever ye find them, and take them (captive), and besiege them, and prepare for them each ambush. But if they repent and establish worship and pay the poor-due, then leave their way free. Lo! Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.

9:29 Fight against such of those who have been given the Scripture as believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, and forbid not that which Allah hath forbidden by His messenger, and follow not the Religion of Truth, until they pay the tribute readily, being brought low.

9:123 O ye who believe! fight the unbelievers who gird you about, and let them find firmness in you: and know that Allah is with those who fear Him.

The entire Surah number 9 is specified in the interpretation books to be talking about a certain incident also and specified with names, all about war.

8:39 Fight them until faithlessness is no more, and religion becomes exclusively for Allah. But if they relinquish, Allah indeed sees best what they do.

39. And fight them on until there is no more tumult or oppression, and there prevail justice and faith in Allah altogether and everywhere; but if they cease, verily Allah doth see all that they do.

The verse is interpreted in many ways, the point is it is addressing riot and disorder, and as i understand between muslims.

47:4 "So, when you clash with the unbelieving Infidels in battle (fighting Jihad in Allah's Cause), smite their necks until you overpower them, killing and wounding many of them. At length, when you have thoroughly subdued them, bind them firmly, making (them) captives."

That part between the braces is not true at all, this once again is talking about when you're fighting, not urging to fight. And when we fight is clarified in another verse, that is when we are attacked as we can't be the aggressors.

You must put in mind the notion or this silly idea that we must fight unbelievers until they become muslims can be very easily shown to be as such, in more than one way. One obvious thing, is that we have rules as to how to deal with unbelievers in general, and how to treat them in Islamic states. If we should fight them until they become muslims, why should there be any rules about treating non-muslims. Not to mention the verses that clarify freedom of religion.

You have to put in mind also that during the message Muhammad (pbuh) was severely fought, by people who some of them even believed in their hearts he was a messenger, but fought him, for different reasons. Either because they cared more about their interests, or because they didn't like the change that his message brought about. They also tortured muslims and killed them. So these people are not like someone today who doesn't follow Islam, there is no comparison whatsoever.

 

[Shredmeister]

so? i have time. come one by one and tell me what you think it is wrong with verses you offered here. i personally don't see problem since they are mostly about war. i don't like war either but i would not like a man who would not defend his people

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War? Seems like this is about killing non-believers.

 

[Badran]

War? Seems like this is about killing non-believers.

Sure, it might seem that way. But its not saying we should kill non-believers in general, if thats what you mean.