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The old "New School Prayer" email.

jmvizanko

Uber Tool
So my boss sent me the following email:

New School Prayer

Now I sit me down in school,
Where praying is against the rule

For this great nation under God,
Finds mention of Him very odd.

If scripture now the class recites,
It violates the Bill of Rights.

And anytime my head I bow,
Becomes a Federal matter now.

Our hair can be purple, orange or green,
That's no offense; it's a freedom scene.

The law is specific, the law is precise.
Prayers spoken aloud are a serious vice.

For praying in a public hall,
Might offend someone with no faith at all.

In silence alone we must meditate,
God's name is prohibited by the state.

We're allowed to cuss and dress like freaks,
And pierce our noses, tongues and cheeks...

They've outlawed guns, but FIRST the Bible.
To quote the Good Book makes me liable.

We can elect a pregnant Senior Queen,
And the 'unwed daddy, our Senior King.

It's ‘inappropriate' to teach right from wrong,
We're taught that such 'judgments' do not belong.

We can get our condoms and birth controls,
Study witchcraft, vampires and totem poles.

But the Ten Commandments are not allowed,
No word of God must reach this crowd.

It's scary here I must confess,
When chaos reigns the school's a mess.

So, Lord, this silent plea I make:
Should I be shot; My soul please take!

Amen


To which I replied:

First off, "under god" wasn't added until 1954. Why the original, founding pledge wasn't good enough for the theocrats is beyond me.

I'm all in favor of allowing prayer in school, as long as it isn't taking up class time, although the time would better be spent teaching more science. After all, in no small part thanks to religious fanaticism, antiscience attitudes are rampant in this country and severely hindering scientific education and progress in this country relative to others.

If we are going to display and encourage the ten commandments, why not display their punishments, which in all cases, even not keeping the sabath and dishonoring your parents, is death. You could say that Jesus negated this with the "cast the first stone" bit, but then he contradicted himself by also stating in Matthew 5:17 that he has come to affirm the law, and that it is not to be altered.

But more fundamentally, why is it such a tragedy to respect that there are children, and adults, in this country and our public schools, that don't believe what you do? Not everyone illogically believes in an intelligent, loving god that thinks people deserve to burn in hell forever for not believing, through no chosen fault of their own, in the correct unknowable idea.

The founding fathers were brilliant in recognizing how personal and important faith is to the individual. Our FIRST amendment in the bill of rights beautifully suggests that we should maintain a respect of that, and allow free exercise of religion, and also not tyrannically impose the beliefs of even the many, onto the few. Why take a backstep from such a brilliant, freedom inducing concept? Its precepts like these that have made our country the most free nation on earth. If you want a theocracy, look no further than Iran.


Am I out of place replying with my two cents at work, if he's the one that pandered this crap to me? Did I leave anything out? Any thoughts?
 

Guitar's Cry

Disciple of Pan
I've gotten this from family. My reply is that individual prayer isn't illegal in school. Leading the students in group prayers or saying one over the intercom is.

If a student wants to pray in school, I would hope that she or he is allowed to!
 
If scripture now the class recites,
It violates the Bill of Rights.
this has always been a violation of the first amendment. the only thing that's recent is actual protection of our freedom from religious influence. the bill of rights is much older than the pledge of allegiance.

Am I out of place replying with my two cents at work, if he's the one that pandered this crap to me? Did I leave anything out? Any thoughts?
provided you dont live in the wrong place (like a right-to-work state, or the southern states, or the midwest, or a particularly rural community...) you should feel free to express where your personal boundaries stand with everyone in your life. although of course that's in a perfect world where management wouldn't do anything stupid over personal emails, which i dont know if that's your situation. i fortunately have a secular boss, but i still keep any other disagreements outside of work - so few arguments are worth looking for a new job.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
When I was in elementary school, there was compulsory prayer & religious oaths. At first I pretended to go along. Later I became revolting.
 

jmvizanko

Uber Tool
I can pray in a public place and no one would ever know I was praying. I have prayed in school and no one ever knew. :)

Well that's exactly it. If you are a kid who wants to spend class time daydreaming and praying, who is stopping you from doing so? If god knows everything, and can actually hear you, why does it matter if your prayers are out loud? Of course, you should probably be spending the time, you know, learning science, math, and history, but hey, not everyone gets to be an astronaut when they grow up.
 

Sunstone

De Diablo Del Fora
Premium Member
Whoever is the perp behind the alleged poem in the OP has committed a crime against the English language and should be locked in a remote tower for the remainder of his or her natural life.
 

jmvizanko

Uber Tool
Of course, if the email came from your boss, it may not prove to be the wisest career move you could have made ...

Yeah, I think the antonym of sycophant should probably be idiot. Oh well, at least he's not a dick about things (unlike some of the truly bat$h1+ crazy fundamentalists I work with).
 

ChristineES

Tiggerism
Premium Member
Well that's exactly it. If you are a kid who wants to spend class time daydreaming and praying, who is stopping you from doing so? If god knows everything, and can actually hear you, why does it matter if your prayers are out loud? Of course, you should probably be spending the time, you know, learning science, math, and history, but hey, not everyone gets to be an astronaut when they grow up.

My goodness, my prayers were never that long. :);)
 

Smoke

Done here.
Am I out of place replying with my two cents at work, if he's the one that pandered this crap to me? Did I leave anything out? Any thoughts?
I don't know if I'd have done it; it would depend on your relationship with your boss. He was definitely out of line to send you the initial email, but once he'd done that I think you were within your rights to respond as you did. I just hope your boss thinks so.
 

jmvizanko

Uber Tool
I don't know if I'd have done it; it would depend on your relationship with your boss. He was definitely out of line to send you the initial email, but once he'd done that I think you were within your rights to respond as you did. I just hope your boss thinks so.

Well once again, I know he's not a dick. But he also knows that I'm a fervent atheist, so considering that he only forwarded it to 3 people in the company, I think he was looking for a personal reaction.
 

logician

Well-Known Member
it's the same ole, same ole, if you allow one religion's prayers, then you must allow them all, then you start getting a number of people offended. Religion should be a private matter - at home and in the church, not in public places.
 

it's_sam

Freak of Nature
I loved it! great peice of work. Religion is being swept under the rug while offenses are thrown around by everyone and sometimes visibly so. They abuse sex in advertising because there is no defense against something thats required for the human race, but it's not required to have whore houses or escorts for this to work.
 

it's_sam

Freak of Nature
it's the same ole, same ole, if you allow one religion's prayers, then you must allow them all, then you start getting a number of people offended. Religion should be a private matter - at home and in the church, not in public places.
They allow all other forms of expression except religion. If you start making what makes you "different" a private matter and only dye your hair at home and take your peircings out before you leave ill agree to this, but still reluctantly.
 
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Skwim

Veteran Member
Whoever is the perp behind the alleged poem in the OP has committed a crime against the English language and should be locked in a remote tower for the remainder of his or her natural life.
And I think the message and the method compliment each other very well.
 
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