How can any true Christian accept an Appointing of a gay bishop ?

[thetruththewaythelife]

This will split the church into those who follow the word of God and those that choose not to follow the word of God – how can you be a Christian and not follow the word of God ?

Firstly I want to say everyone has a right to choose what they do with there life – it is a gift and you are responsible for it – God hates sin –but he loves his children – and that is everyone from believers to non believers Sin is sin in Gods eyes he sees the same thing , does not matter you a thief or homosexual – its sin , God does not hate homosexuals but he CANNOT have anything to do with sin at all , as he is perfect in everyway.

The bible is so very clear on homosexuality , there is no doubt what God planned for us – as you can see from the versus below the plan God has for Christians – for man and woman to be together - Ephesians 5:31 (NIV) - Genesis 2:23-24: - its so clear man was meant to be with woman and were given the correct tools to do the job of bringing forth new life into the world – man has the eggs and woman has the womb – they are made exactly for each other , of course sex is made for pleasure as well , that is part of the gift God has given us.It seems very clear that God did not intend man to be with man – that is clearly a perversion of something God created – sex .How can anybody try and put a spin on this , there are no grey areas – God made it very clear were he stands. I know some have said we need to – and I quote -

liberals believe the Bible should be reinterpreted in the light of contemporary wisdom.

That is directly against Gods word he is the same today – tomorrow and forever –

It is hard to accept that homosexuality is a sin – but I know a lot of people will be blinded to the truth because they don’t want to have to deal the difficult question of sexuality – so they choose not to see – but there is freedom

Romans 1:26-27 - "Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion

1 Corinthians 6:9-10 - "Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God." (NIV).

Leviticus 18:22 - "Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman; that is detestable." (NIV)
Leviticus 20:13 - "If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads." (NIV)
The creation of marriage is recorded in Genesis 2:23-24: "The man said, ‘This is now bone of my bones and flesh of my flesh; she shall be called “woman,” for she was taken out of man.’ For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and they will become one flesh." God created man and then made woman to complement him. Marriage is God’s “fix” for the fact that “it is not good for the man to be alone” (Genesis 2:18).
Ephesians 5:31 (NIV)

31 “For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh.”

BEFORE YOU GO ON ABOUT THE OLD TESTAMENT I ONLY PUT THOSE SO YOU KNOW GOD ECHOES THE SAME THING IN OLD TESTAMENT TO NEW TESTAMENT IN ROMANS

I really do look forward to any responses – many thanks

 

[kejos]

This will split the church

With respect, it will do no such thing. It may create rifts within a denomination, but the church lives according to the Holy Spirit, who has nothing to do with homosexuality, and very little if anything to do with diocesan bishops.

 

[Autodidact]

Did you mean for this to go into a Christian DIR forum? Or are you seeking opinions from non-Christians about what is or is not a true Christian?

 

[Mister_T]

How can any true Christian openly pass judgement on another Christian's spiritual authenticity, when Jesus specifically forbade judging people? I believe that is God's job and no one elses, according to Jesus. Surely as a Christian, you know what verses Jesus speaks out against such things and I shouldn't have to repeat them.

I wish all the time and energy that is spent on condemning homosexuals was spent on, oh I don't know feeding starving children in Africa or something else far more worthwhile to humanity.

 

[Sunstone]

This will split the church into those who follow the word of God and those that choose not to follow the word of God – how can you be a Christian and not follow the word of God ?

Firstly I want to say everyone has a right to choose what they do with there life – it is a gift and you are responsible for it – God hates sin –but he loves his children – and that is everyone from believers to non believers Sin is sin in Gods eyes he sees the same thing , does not matter you a thief or homosexual – its sin , God does not hate homosexuals but he CANNOT have anything to do with sin at all , as he is perfect in everyway.

The bible is so very clear on homosexuality , there is no doubt what God planned for us – as you can see from the versus below the plan God has for Christians – for man and woman to be together - Ephesians 5:31 (NIV) - Genesis 2:23-24: - its so clear man was meant to be with woman and were given the correct tools to do the job of bringing forth new life into the world – man has the eggs and woman has the womb – they are made exactly for each other , of course sex is made for pleasure as well , that is part of the gift God has given us.It seems very clear that God did not intend man to be with man – that is clearly a perversion of something God created – sex .How can anybody try and put a spin on this , there are no grey areas – God made it very clear were he stands. I know some have said we need to – and I quote -

liberals believe the Bible should be reinterpreted in the light of contemporary wisdom.

That is directly against Gods word he is the same today – tomorrow and forever –

It is hard to accept that homosexuality is a sin – but I know a lot of people will be blinded to the truth because they don’t want to have to deal the difficult question of sexuality – so they choose not to see – but there is freedom

Romans 1:26-27 - "Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion

1 Corinthians 6:9-10 - "Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God." (NIV).

Leviticus 18:22 - "Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman; that is detestable." (NIV)
Leviticus 20:13 - "If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads." (NIV)
The creation of marriage is recorded in Genesis 2:23-24: "The man said, ‘This is now bone of my bones and flesh of my flesh; she shall be called “woman,” for she was taken out of man.’ For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and they will become one flesh." God created man and then made woman to complement him. Marriage is God’s “fix” for the fact that “it is not good for the man to be alone” (Genesis 2:18).
Ephesians 5:31 (NIV)

31 “For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh.”

BEFORE YOU GO ON ABOUT THE OLD TESTAMENT I ONLY PUT THOSE SO YOU KNOW GOD ECHOES THE SAME THING IN OLD TESTAMENT TO NEW TESTAMENT IN ROMANS

I really do look forward to any responses – many thanks

You seem to put the letter of the law above the spirit of the law. Given that, do you still insist that you are a Christian?

 

[Magic Man]

This will split the church into those who follow the word of God and those that choose not to follow the word of God – how can you be a Christian and not follow the word of God ?

I don't know. How do you do it?

 

[thetruththewaythelife]

How can any true Christian openly pass judgement on another Christian's spiritual authenticity, when Jesus specifically forbade judging people? I believe that is God's job and no one elses, according to Jesus. Surely as a Christian, you know what verses Jesus speaks out against such things and I shouldn't have to repeat them.

I wish all the time and energy that is spent on condemning homosexuals was spent on, oh I don't know feeding starving children in Africa or something else far more worthwhile to humanity.

i am not passing judgement God is only one who can judge an he says it is wrong he sets the level of judgement

 

[angellous_evangellous]

Speaking of the letter of the law...

The strictest follower of the Bible makes exception for himself or herself, arrogantly pretents to follow every jot and tittle, and then thumbs their nose up to others who hold to a different interpretation.

The "real" Christian may not accept a gay bishop, but a loving one does.

At stake also is following the prophetic voice of God, which is coming strong through the GLBT Christian community. It's a shame that non-Christians were the prophetic voice before Christians.

The voice says: "Your interpretation causes great pain." Which, incidentally, is the criteria for strict biliophiles -- they eventually listened to slaves and their children that their interpretations that keep blacks down are inherently harmful and almost all modern Christians reject this harmful interpretation.

 

[thetruththewaythelife]

I don't know. How do you do it?

you cant they are one - John 1:1 - word is God

 

[angellous_evangellous]

I don't know. How do you do it?

Have you ever peed on toilet paper?

 

[kejos]

How can any true Christian openly pass judgement on another Christian's spiritual authenticity, when Jesus specifically forbade judging people?

Jesus did no such thing. He warned pre-crucifixion people, who needed the preaching of John (the Baptist) to make them aware of sin, that a critical, fault-finding spirit was inappropriate, because those people were often blind to their own faults. In the church, things are very different- though not entirely. In ancient Israel, those who broke commandments were stoned to death. Christians don't stone thieves, liars and homosexuals. They just bar them from their company, because the principle is the same.

 

[Ordeet]

I am not a Christian, but as I understand it the only requirement for being a Christian is to believe in Jesus. Why put so much negative focus on one type of sin, in this case homosexuality, rather than focus on improving oneself and becoming more Christlike? How about, instead of bashing gays, Christians learn how to become more patient, tolerant, and open-minded, the very things that Jesus taught you to be? I also think it is not right to declare someone to not be in your religion because of one small factor.

If I remember right, Jesus said "thou shalt not judge". If you don't follow Jesus, how can you be a "real Christian"?

In any case, I believe that Christians should not be above the law. Since these churches operate in a secular society, they must comply with laws that forbid discrimination of any type based on race, gender, or sexual orientation. I mean, would it make sense to say that a church can kill people (as the Muslims sometimes do) just because they're a Church?

 

[thetruththewaythelife]

Speaking of the letter of the law...

The strictest follower of the Bible makes exception for himself or herself, arrogantly pretents to follow every jot and tittle, and then thumbs their nose up to others who hold to a different interpretation.

The "real" Christian may not accept a gay bishop, but a loving one does.

At stake also is following the prophetic voice of God, which is coming strong through the GLBT Christian community. It's a shame that non-Christians were the prophetic voice before Christians.

The voice says: "Your interpretation causes great pain." Which, incidentally, is the criteria for strict biliophiles -- they eventually listened to slaves and their children that their interpretations that keep blacks down are inherently harmful and almost all modern Christians reject this harmful interpretation.

modern Christians - you mean Christians who try wash the word of God done and look at it in a new age light - p-pretending it does not say waht it does - we still love the gay bishop but he is going directly against the word of God and he simple cant do that if he wants to be a bishop - cause then he has double standards they

 

[angellous_evangellous]

Jesus did no such thing. He warned pre-crucifixion people, who needed the preaching of John (the Baptist) to make them aware of sin...

A colorful cop-out.

Tell me, are all the teachings of Jesus of less value because he had not yet resurrected?

 

[Magic Man]

you cant they are one - John 1:1 - word is God

I think you missed my point. You apparently pull it off pretty well, so my question is how do you (specifically you, not a general "one") do it?

 

[thetruththewaythelife]

i am not a christian, but as i understand it the only requirement for being a christian is to believe in jesus. Why put so much negative focus on one type of sin, in this case homosexuality, rather than focus on improving oneself and becoming more christlike? How about, instead of bashing gays, christians learn how to become more patient, tolerant, and open-minded, the very things that jesus taught you to be? I also think it is not right to declare someone to not be in your religion because of one small factor.

If i remember right, jesus said "thou shalt not judge". If you don't follow jesus, how can you be a "real christian"?

In any case, i believe that christians should not be above the law. Since these churches operate in a secular society, they must comply with laws that forbid discrimination of any type based on race, gender, or sexual orientation. I mean, would it make sense to say that a church can kill people (as the muslims sometimes do) just because they're a church?

oh stop it i am not basing or judging - god sets the stander for judging and only he can judge - he says its wrong not me - but i
agree - i am writing this in caps so you can see it and understand it --------------thanks

 

[angellous_evangellous]

Since these churches operate in a secular society, they must comply with laws that forbid discrimination of any type based on race, gender, or sexual orientation. I mean, would it make sense to say that a church can kill people (as the Muslims sometimes do) just because they're a Church?

Not really, at least according to laws relating to employment.

In the US, part of "operating in a secular society" includes seperating the entity from the state - the entity doesn't pay taxes and doesn't receive funding from the government. This gives the entity the right to propagate its message - which the state cannot do because of seperation of church and state.

 

[thetruththewaythelife]

I think you missed my point. You apparently pull it off pretty well, so my question is how do you (specifically you, not a general "one") do it?

i try to follow the whole word of God and use it has a guide to truth in world were the line between lies and truth gets blued by the day - my question is how can the gay bishop say he is a Christian and not follow the word of God , simple - man was made to go with woman hand in hand to produce from a womb - sex is a gift for man and woman - its plain and clear in gensis

 

[angellous_evangellous]

Jesus did no such thing. He warned pre-crucifixion people, who needed the preaching of John (the Baptist) to make them aware of sin, that a critical, fault-finding spirit was inappropriate, because those people were often blind to their own faults. In the church, things are very different- though not entirely. In ancient Israel, those who broke commandments were stoned to death. Christians don't stone thieves, liars and homosexuals. They just bar them from their company, because the principle is the same.

[see what I mean about picking and choosing...]

 

[thetruththewaythelife]

I think you missed my point. You apparently pull it off pretty well, so my question is how do you (specifically you, not a general "one") do it?

i try to follow the whole word of God and use it has a guide to truth in world were the line between lies and truth gets blued by the day - my question is how can the gay bishop say he is a Christian and not follow the word of God , simple - man was made to go with woman hand in hand to produce from a womb - sex is a gift for from God for pleasure between man and wife its all there folks - its plain and clear in gensis