The Book of Revelation.................

[Composer]

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So what? You have been attempting to dismiss it without supplying anything in the way of a valid interpretation that may disprove it. THis is typical of your arrogance.

You remain in error for many reasons, here's a few -

I didn't just dismiss your hypothesis. I said it is all just a theory amongst many others and the bottom-line is it's all a story book regardless.

I also went to great lengths to Copy & Paste another example from a different story book group.

This is a blatant lie. I did not claim to be an expert on these languages, I only pointed out that the grammar is different. I trust the scholars who have translated for me, and I don't need to compete with them.

#1: Oh, so you trust the translators of 1 John 5:7 KJV story book, really! and your evidence is?

Do you believe that Mark 16:9-20 is legitimate and your evidence is?

How do you know that Rev. 13 is legitimate and your evidence is?

You couldn't compete with translators because?
i) You aren't qualified?
ii) So you base your beliefs on a) Faith? b) A warm and fuzzy feeling? c) The holy spirit story book told you? d) Trusting other translators haven't corrupted text, introduced spurious text or used any form of bias? (You are a dreamer if that is the case?) e) Other reason(s) and your evidence is?

This is typical of your exagerrations a false claims that you so arrogantly represent as being some kind of superior intellect. I have yet to see you demonstrate even a modicum of intellect.

Based upon your posts and testimony so far, I have only stated the legitimate facts and your spurious conclusions like this one is of no surprise to me either!

I don't think a true scholar would repeat this storybook thing of yours a hundred times. It sounds self absorbed to me.

A true scholar that studies a story book is just a story book scholar and that is all the biblical text is, a story book.

You can start out by proving the lie you just told about me in this thread.

Already done! See #1: above.

If you were paying attention, you would see that I am defining what chapter 13 is actually saying as opposed to the mythology surrounding other interpretations of this chapter. More exagerration by yourself. I never said that anyone had to believe it literally as the word of God and you cannot supply any quote of that. Well, maybe you can try to twist something I have said and take it out of context, which is your style that you are demonstrating here.

I stated that your interpretation of Rev. 13 is one amongst many.

I then presented a specific alternative for your viewing because I envisaged you had likely not encountered before, because many do not know of the Christ Adelphians.

This is a good example of the little fantasy world you live in. A lengend in your own mind. This statement of full of your twisted version of what has been actually said. You are only exposing yourself as a fraud, not me. I'm still waiting for any valid refutation of my interpretation that you can't seem to deliver.

I already said I am not interested in debating that Rev. 13 hypothesis of yours. It is just speculation based upon a story book.

You only seem to parrot this storybook thing which ran out of gas a long time ago. You are only trying to project your own methodology into someone else which I believe is called a strawman.

The rest of your post only reveals your agenda and self absorbed claimed to some kind of superiority. You keep trying to point it at me but you have nothing valid to make that claim on. All I'm hearing from you is blah blah blah.

I am not surprised you react like this. You are extremely immature however I am also a benevolent type of guy so you can try again as many times as you wish?

 

[Composer]

By the way, Composer,Your personal attack is showing everyone that you failed to win our debate. To resort to such nonsense speaks volumes about your inability to win a debate in a valid manner. Your personal attack means nothing to me, I just consider the source.

What alleged personal attack are you alleging?

Bottom line, the source is a story book!

 

[Bennettresearch]

What alleged personal attack are you alleging?

Bottom line, the source is a story book!

You have not proved the lie you told because you can't. Enough said. Your post is nothing more than a self serving rant because you have lost the debate. As to you help that you complained about. You tried to represent a very poor delineation of chapter 13 as a viable contradiction. Now you are the poor innocent victim, right?

You are burying yourself here and you seem to be the only one who doesn't know it. As to your attempt to project your own mental shortcomings into my head, try looking in the mirror.

Your argument about this language issue doesn't support your initial claim that I claimed to be a language scholar. You insidious arguments go around in circles and you never support any of your claims. This is it, I will not respond to any other post from you as you have been very dishonest in your debate.

 

[Composer]

You have not proved the lie you told because you can't.

I didn't tell any lies so obviously i can't prove to you I did lie?

You have many problems, all in your head?

Enough said. Your post is nothing more than a self serving rant because you have lost the debate.

Debate about what?

As to you help that you complained about. You tried to represent a very poor delineation of chapter 13 as a viable contradiction.

You are delusional!

I repeat again I offered just one alternative to yours by a Christ Adelphian. There are lots of alternatives as I also said but I never said nor indicated that I wanted to engage in a discussion as to which story book interpretation I supported in any way?

Why not?

Because it's all story book clap-trap!

Now you are the poor innocent victim, right?

I am the victim of your rantings and false accusations that's for certain.

You are burying yourself here and you seem to be the only one who doesn't know it. As to your attempt to project your own mental shortcomings into my head, try looking in the mirror.

More of your empty rantings!

Oh well! I'll cope very well as usual.

Your argument about this language issue doesn't support your initial claim that I claimed to be a language scholar. You insidious arguments go around in circles and you never support any of your claims. This is it, I will not respond to any other post from you as you have been very dishonest in your debate.

You are welcome to return when you have something honest to present!

Meanwhile I accept your capitulation on your spurious grounds.

Next!

 

[Bennettresearch]

The exposing of a self absorbed and delusional fraud. A legend in his own mind.

I didn't tell any lies so obviously i can't prove to you I did lie?
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I will show you the next statement that you made

You have also already pointed out you are dishonest in claiming you are a Scholar in all the languages of the world and accordingly by your alleged standards then no one can really ever understand the correct meaning of the story book especially if they are not scholars in Hebrew, Greek, Aramaic.
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This is a blatant lie, it is not even a misprepresentation of what I said. You have avoided proving this statement. Therefore, if you do not supply a quote where I said this then you are committing fraud. Prove what you say for a change. I'm waiting!

I repeat again I offered just one alternative to yours by a Christ Adelphian. There are lots of alternatives as I also said but I never said nor indicated that I wanted to engage in a discussion as to which story book interpretation I supported in any way?
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This isn't the way you were talking before.

I am already bored with your empty claims based on your hypothesis but out of courtesy I was prepared to try to assist you see the interpretations of others and I gave you one example. You don't deserve my assistance on this matter any longer so I shall not give it further.
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You are talking out of both sides of your mouth. It sounds like you entered the debate but now you disclaim it.

I just gave you that so you can compare the opinions of others to your hypothesis.
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These examples are positively schizophrenic. I have no problem showing where the interpretation you posted is wrong. It is not opinion sir, the text delineates 4 distinct beasts so any attempt to make a composit beast is flat out wrong.

You came into my thread on the Antichrist Myth. You launched your hijacking attempt by changing the subject. After losing, you are personally attacking me by telling flat out lies.

Talk is cheap and you have a lot of it. Answer to the lie you have said about me!!!!!

 

[AK4]

Well that is merely your empty conjecture based upon a story book.

No its not empty and i could back it up with many scriptures. What i didnt say in that last post though is that the beast is you me and everyone else. Each and every person is that beast but only those being chosen will see this.

 

[Composer]

No its not empty and i could back it up with many scriptures. What i didnt say in that last post though is that the beast is you me and everyone else. Each and every person is that beast but only those being chosen will see this.

Oh, so you are another self acclaimed ' Chosen one ' using a story book to allegedly back you up, when it never does? LOL!

I can quote you the test of faith of an alleged genuine story book Jesus believer and the promises already given IF you are genuine?

If you want to ' take the test of your Faith ' and manifest the promises already given to a genuine story book Jesus believer, then please let me know and I'll provide the criteria you must legitimately meet and legitimately manifest and we'll see IF you truly are a ' chosen one? ' LOL!?

For your added info' my 50 year tally so far of ' legitimate chosen ones ' = 0
My 50 year tally so far of loud mouthed frauds and pretend story book Jesus believers = 100%

You are welcome to attempt to break that record or any one else with a similar mentality such as yours?

 

[Composer]

Talk is cheap and you have a lot of it. Answer to the lie you have said about me!!!!!

Only in your vivid insulting and deluded imagination.

What makes you think English translations are all divinely inspired? (Your alleged evidence?)

Are French or Russian Translations also divinely inspired? (Your alleged evidence?)

Is the Apocrypha or Pseudograpia or its translations inspired? (Your alleged evidence?)

If you don't believe they are then you must be claiming that only the so called ' originals ' are (even they are at best 2nd hand copies of hearsay testimony) and in order to understand those originals you must be fluent in Hebrew, Greek, Aramaic and several other languages.

Are you? (List your qualifications?)

My bet is you are relying on the translations of others each with their bias and you have concocted some kind of interpretation (i.e. of Rev. 13) and want to believe it has legitimate merit whilst others don't, when the criteria you have at your disposal is illegitimate to start with?

 

[Ba'al]

Only in your vivid insulting and deluded imagination.

What makes you think English translations are all divinely inspired? (Your alleged evidence?)

Are French or Russian Translations also divinely inspired? (Your alleged evidence?)

Is the Apocrypha or Pseudograpia or its translations inspired? (Your alleged evidence?)

If you don't believe they are then you must be claiming that only the so called ' originals ' are (even they are at best 2nd hand copies of hearsay testimony) and in order to understand those originals you must be fluent in Hebrew, Greek, Aramaic and several other languages.

Are you? (List your qualifications?)

My bet is you are relying on the translations of others each with their bias and you have concocted some kind of interpretation (i.e. of Rev. 13) and want to believe it has legitimate merit whilst others don't, when the criteria you have at your disposal is illegitimate to start with?

Composer...this is not a thread debating whether the bible is authentic. There are many threads dedicated to that subject. The topic is the book of revelation. Do you even read which forum you are in when you post? It seems all your posts argue that the bible is a story book. Who cares?

 

[Composer]

Composer...this is not a thread debating whether the bible is authentic. There are many threads dedicated to that subject. The topic is the book of revelation. Do you even read which forum you are in when you post? It seems all your posts argue that the bible is a story book. Who cares?

So you don't care if the Book of Revelation is authentic?

Starnge?

 

[AK4]

Oh, so you are another self acclaimed ' Chosen one ' using a story book to allegedly back you up, when it never does? LOL!

No i dont claim to be chosen. For no one really knows if they are chosen unless and until they rise up in the first resurrection. But i could make a good argument with this "story book" backing me up 100%.

I can quote you the test of faith of an alleged genuine story book Jesus believer and the promises already given IF you are genuine?

Try me.

If you want to ' take the test of your Faith ' and manifest the promises already given to a genuine story book Jesus believer, then please let me know and I'll provide the criteria you must legitimately meet and legitimately manifest and we'll see IF you truly are a ' chosen one? ' LOL!?

LOL. I tell you whats funny, someone who doesnt have the faith, making up and giving a test about the faith. But by all means, hit me with your best shot and i will show you a true believer of the truth who followed the command of His Lord when He told us to "Come out of her My people".

For your added info' my 50 year tally so far of ' legitimate chosen ones ' = 0
My 50 year tally so far of loud mouthed frauds and pretend story book Jesus believers = 100%

Why because you chose your battles against those who are still stuck in the doctrines of christianity? Those who are still deeply duped by the myth of freewill? Just how hard is it to "beat a christian" who truly doesnt know the scriptures? What an accomplishment, not. Ha, come, time to end your "winning streak".

Edit: Let me add after reading your posts in S-words thread "historicity of Jesus", you at least have one in the lost category.

You are welcome to attempt to break that record or any one else with a similar mentality such as yours?

It is not i who will break it, it will be the Word of God that does it. Im game.

 

[Composer]

. . . . It is not i who will break it, it will be the Word of God that does it. Im game.

Ok, let's start right here. You can start a New Thread and notify me of it if you wish?

Or we can continue here?

Your Free Will choice? (apparently not?)

So prove to me the story book isn't just a story book but is the legitimate Word of a God?

Thanks for your time!

 

[Bennettresearch]

Composer...this is not a thread debating whether the bible is authentic. There are many threads dedicated to that subject. The topic is the book of revelation. Do you even read which forum you are in when you post? It seems all your posts argue that the bible is a story book. Who cares?

Thank you Ba'al. Anyone can see that this poster gets out of line and off topic. I refuse to debate any further with someone who resorts to lies.

Craig

 

[Composer]

Thank you Ba'al. Anyone can see that this poster gets out of line and off topic. I refuse to debate any further with someone who resorts to lies.

Craig

Then you'll have to stop telling lies so you can get along with attempting to provide something lacking from you altogether - i.e. legitimate evidence!

Next!

 

[Composer]

I'm stilllllllll waiting AK4?

Prove to me the story book isn't just a story book but is the legitimate Word of a God?

I shan't put the kettle on, I've lost too many good kettles waiting for your like minded brethren. LOL!

 

[AK4]

Ok, let's start right here. You can start a New Thread and notify me of it if you wish?

Or we can continue here?

Your Free Will choice? (apparently not?)

So prove to me the story book isn't just a story book but is the legitimate Word of a God?

Thanks for your time!

You need focus your question. What is it you want me to prove? Freewill? We dont have it so if you want me to prove this or whatever else let me know.

Edit: Better yet lets stick with something that has to do with the book of Revelation. I said you, me and everyone is the first beast. So lets start there.

Or we can start with this one Ecc 1:13 It is an experience of evil God has given mankind to humble him thereby (CLV). Now is this true or not?

 

[Composer]

You need focus your question. What is it you want me to prove?

The focus and question is right in front of you as I stated and you ignored -

" So prove to me the story book isn't just a story book but is the legitimate Word of a God? "

Thank you

 

[AK4]

The focus and question is right in front of you as I stated and you ignored -

" So prove to me the story book isn't just a story book but is the legitimate Word of a God? "

Thank you

Its not focused. I could pick a subject like freewill and prove the "story book" true. I could pick the concept of hell or eternity or trinity or even somethings that have scientific statements to prove the "story book" true. So which is it you want? Pick your best argument that you use to "defeat" all of us who believe this "story book".

 

[Composer]

So which is it you want? Pick your best argument that you use to "defeat" all of us who believe this "story book".

" Prove that the story book isn't just a story book but is the legitimate Word of a God? "

 

[Ba'al]

" Prove that the story book isn't just a story book but is the legitimate Word of a God? "

Composer, it seems you have the same problem in every thread you post on. You want proof of the authenticity of the bible or quran in irrelevant threads. Here...I will spoon feed you 2 links since you have a hard time understanding this thread is about the Book of Revelation. Kindly take your arguments there so people here can discuss the relevant topic.

http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/general-religious-debates/93799-why-believe-bible.html

http://www.religiousforums.com/foru...ebates/94171-should-bible-taken-100-true.html