Why don't some people like being created?

[Man of Faith]

I like it, the idea of my family being a special creation thousands of years ago, and being related to every other living human on the planet.

Why don't some people like this concept?

 

[Baydwin]

Because it would make us different and alien to everything else on the planet, we wouldn't belong, we'd be foreigners on our own home.

Plus it would mean we were made of mud.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

I like it, the idea of my family being a special creation thousands of years ago, and being related to every other living human on the planet.

Why don't some people like this concept?

Speaking for myself, it's not the fact that I don't like the idea of special creation, it's the fact that I believe the idea to be false and truthfulness matters to me.

I like the idea of Guinness falling as rain, but I'd still consider someone foolish if they were to stand outside holding a pint glass skyward waiting for it to happen. I try to base my opinions on my best estimate of whether they're factual, not on how much I'd like it if they were proven true or false.

BTW - even without special creation, you're still related to every other living human on the planet. You just have to go back a few more generations.

 

[tumbleweed41]

It is not a matter of what one likes or dislikes.
It is a matter of faith verses fact.
You "like" basing your beliefs on faith. Your obvious preference for the "specialness" of humans is reflected in your belief in an anthropomorphic god.
I prefer relying on facts.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

You "like" basing your beliefs on faith. Your obvious preference for the "specialness" of humans is reflected in your belief in an anthropomorphic god.

Humans are special. The fact that we weren't the deliberate creations of an all-powerful god doesn't change that. Humanity is still remarkable in all sorts of ways.

 

[Man of Faith]

Because it would make us different and alien to everything else on the planet, we wouldn't belong, we'd be foreigners on our own home.

Plus it would mean we were made of mud.

Well I kind of like being "in charge" of all other life forms if you will. We aren't alien because we rely on the same water and foods as other life forms, we breathe the same oxygen and walk on the same grasses. And does it matter what we are made of? I mean we are going to die anyway.

 

[tumbleweed41]

Humans are special. The fact that we weren't the deliberate creations of an all-powerful god doesn't change that. Humanity is still remarkable in all sorts of ways.

Oh I agree. Just as ants are special, and sparrows, and sea turtles....

 

[MSizer]

Thanks ManofFaith, I just had this one replaced. You know that the fact that you even ask the question reveals your skewed frame of reference, right? It has nothing to do with "liking" anything and everything to do with accepting reality.

 

[Baydwin]

Well I kind of like being "in charge" of all other life forms if you will. We aren't alien because we rely on the same water and foods as other life forms, we breathe the same oxygen and walk on the same grasses. And does it matter what we are made of? I mean we are going to die anyway.

You asked why I don't like it, so I told you.

I'd also say, along the lines of being made of dirt, that the idea of God scooping up a handful of crud, moulding it into a sort of upright monkey shape and giving it life sounds quite a lot, to me anyway, like a child making toy people out of plasticine and pretending they're real. Essentially, Creation makes men fake playthings, without a real origin or history or, in fact, any life or meaning of our own.

 

[Man of Faith]

Speaking for myself, it's not the fact that I don't like the idea of special creation, it's the fact that I believe the idea to be false and truthfulness matters to me.

I like the idea of Guinness falling as rain, but I'd still consider someone foolish if they were to stand outside holding a pint glass skyward waiting for it to happen. I try to base my opinions on my best estimate of whether they're factual, not on how much I'd like it if they were proven true or false.

BTW - even without special creation, you're still related to every other living human on the planet. You just have to go back a few more generations.

Don't tell me you are one of those pesky people that want evidence and not just rely on what they like or dislike.

 

[Walkntune]

Speaking for myself, it's not the fact that I don't like the idea of special creation, it's the fact that I believe the idea to be false and truthfulness matters to me.

I kind of like the idea of m-theory and thinking energy is all that exists and that matter is nothing more than vibrating strings of energy and that the Bible is correct in saying we are created in the image of God and that God is the ultimate energy source for all creation. I like watching science try and build another tower of Babel.

 

[Man of Faith]

Humans are special. The fact that we weren't the deliberate creations of an all-powerful god doesn't change that. Humanity is still remarkable in all sorts of ways.

You will have a hard time with this argument with atheists, that humans are special, I've already tried that. No matter what they will not admit that humans are special over all animal life. Because to admit that, they have to admit that evolution could possibly be false.

 

[Storm]

Well I kind of like being "in charge" of all other life forms if you will.

A hubristic belief that is currently leading us into disaster.

We aren't alien because we rely on the same water and foods as other life forms, we breathe the same oxygen and walk on the same grasses. And does it matter what we are made of? I mean we are going to die anyway.

Don't tell me you are one of those pesky people that want evidence and not just rely on what they like or dislike.

I am. Penguin summed it up perfectly.

 

[Baydwin]

Don't tell me you are one of those pesky people that want evidence and not just rely on what they like or dislike.

My original thread wasn't about evidence one way or the other, I noticed that some people hate the fact that they're animals and closely related to chimps and orangutans. I can't understand the mindset, to me it's like not liking having opposable thumbs, so I asked why people feel that way.

 

[Storm]

You will have a hard time with this argument with atheists, that humans are special, I've already tried that. No matter what they will not admit that humans are special over all animal life.

I've never had a problem with getting atheists to admit humans are unique, but then I wasn't trying to justify YEC with it.

Because to admit that, they have to admit that evolution could possibly be false.

No, they really don't.

 

[tumbleweed41]

Humans are unique. Our ability to overcome or control nearly every other species gives us the unique responsibility to ensure the continued survival of not just ourselves, but our world and all of its inhabitants.

 

[John D]

Because it would make us different and alien to everything else on the planet, we wouldn't belong, we'd be foreigners on our own home.

Plus it would mean we were made of mud.

But we are.........

 

[MSizer]

You will have a hard time with this argument with atheists, that humans are special, I've already tried that. No matter what they will not admit that humans are special over all animal life. Because to admit that, they have to admit that evolution could possibly be false.

No, actually, like everything you say, it's backwards. Let's think about this, shall we?

Your view: The "being" responsible for everything that exists, and whom still plays an active and supervisory role cares about everything each of us does every minute of our lives. We will be rewarded or punished after our earthly death.

The naturalist's view: All living creatures have evolved from a long lineage of previous spcies over billions of year. We're not sure how it all started, but we have a few reasonable theories that might exlpain it, and we'll probably have more evidence in the future to narrow down the plausible theories for that. The result of this process has been agency, conciousness, and in humans only so far, metacognition, allowing us to grasp concepts as time and morality. After our death, sadly for our living loved ones, we will decay and contribute our part back into the cycle of life as all previous beings have done before us. Our wonderful human experience of emotions and companionship with other humans and creatures is precious to us while we live, and is fondly remembered by those who live after us.

Care to tell me how my version counters the ToE MoF? Care to "demolish" this like you have carbon dating and the sequence of fossil depositions in the geological column?

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

You will have a hard time with this argument with atheists, that humans are special, I've already tried that. No matter what they will not admit that humans are special over all animal life. Because to admit that, they have to admit that evolution could possibly be false.

You twisted what I said. Humanity is special, and this is completely reconcilable with the facts of evolution. The bit you added, "over all animal life", are your words, not mine.

IMO, terms like "over" and "under", or "higher" or "lower" aren't valid when describing different species.

 

[LoTrobador]

Have you read Joseph Heller's "Catch-22"? I guess some people might dislike the idea of a Creator for reasons similar to Yossarian's.