Shoe is on the other foot: Prove there is not God.

[Myers]

Actually common sense goes with awareness and not logic!

Common sense and logic are synonymous.

 

[Myers]

Because love dose not come out of your logical thinking. It is an emotion that comes from your fear and faith where all emotions come from and is why I said where your heart is.

Love comes from the excessive release of oxytocin and vasopressin, both neurochemicals which are located in the hypothalamus. Fear comes from hyperactivity in the amygdala.

 

[Walkntune]

Love comes from the excessive release of oxytocin and vasopressin, both neurochemicals which are located in the hypothalamus. Fear comes from hyperactivity in the amygdala.

Understanding logical chemical breakdown of the symptoms of the effect on our body does not really have much bearing.
Thats all the effect and not the cause.

 

[Myers]

Understanding logical breakdown of the symptoms of the effect on our body does not really have much bearing.

I'm proving that love does not come from fear, because they originate from different areas of the brain.

 

[Humanistheart]

To respond to the OP, you extend a challenge to prove that 'god' doesn't exist. Along the line you indicate your refering to the abrahamic god, but do not specify which. However since christianity is the most represented of those religions on this forums I'll go with that.

The christian concept of god is as a qualified montheistic version known as the trinity. This trinity is rooted in the NT of the christian bible, founded on the concept that jesus was the messiah/ 'son of god'. So to disprove this particular god one must only show that jesus was not in fact the messiah fortold in the ancient jewish prophicy found in the Tannack or OT.

Jesus did not fulfill one single messianic prophecy, let alone all of them. One cannot be called the messiah without having fulfilled the messiah's purpose, so jesus was not a messiah. The christian god does not exist. So unless you can give some evidence that jesus actually did fulfill all the messianic prophecies (or at least one) or you were not refering to the christian god for this thread, I believe the challenge in your post has been met. there is no god.

 

[angellous_evangellous]

Common sense and logic are synonymous.

 

[angellous_evangellous]

Will to power is to God what E=mc2 is to physics.

 

[Myers]

What?

 

[Humanistheart]

What?

Oh, don't mind angelous, his entire religion was just proved wrong. It's possibe he's too shocked to form words just now.

 

[Autodidact]

For those who don't believe in God, what makes you think your science is correct.I will give you the fact that you know relativity exists but what makes you think reality is observed and understood in the mind. I say our thoughts or just an effect of our faith and fears as to what we can see and observe.For the scientific minded lets call this fight or flight response.
Lets take a deer grazing in a field. When the deer is full of faith and feels safe it is free to think about finding green grass to eat and finding a tree to lay under.When danger comes fear kicks in and guess what??? The deers thinking has also changed. It is not observing the same things but now is seeking the dangers out and which direction to dart off in.So I say where you are in your fear and faith or fight and flight responses actually dictates your thoughts and what you are observing.God can only be seen through the eyes of faith and therefore not even possible to prove to those at a different place in there fight and flight response.That's why the Bible says let those who have eyes to see and those who have ears to hear.You can't show someone a God that can only be seen in faith when they are at a different place in there fear and faith.
Remember just like the deer that you fight and flight response dictates the reality around you and controls your thoughts and reality was not meant to fit in any scientific logical box.

I'm sorry, but I have no idea what you're trying to say here.

It sounds like you're saying that science opposes Christianity in some way? Is that what you believe--that if science works then Christianity if false?

 

[APW]

No one can prove or disprove God.

If you do not believe in God, you will not seek for him or find him. If you are obsessed with God you will see him behind evey bush, and behind every earthquake or other natural event (thanks Pat!).

If you accept the possibility of God, you can see both sides of the arguement.

If you quietly believe in God, you may begin to live your life in accordance to what you believe to be his will... living a life of intelligent and loving service to mankind.

Al

 

[Autodidact]

Did you know the difference between a successful person and those who are not have nothing to do with your intelligence but is actually relative to your awareness. The more in faith you are in your fight and flight response the more aware you are of the oppurtunities in front of your face.The deer who feels safe is looking around and seeing the goodness of the land and is not blinded by fear.Fear has a protective purpose but when you hold on to it even when there is no danger you stay blinded to opportunities.

Not just necessary blinded by fear but by greed,selfishness,pride, many different sins keep us blind but in actuality they are all based on fear which fear and faith are really the only two emotions.All others are shade from these two.

I believe death might occur at this point.
Being stuck in fear which alters your thinking which over time may cause your chemicals in the brain to alter and cause mental illness does not mean your fight and flight response was deficient so maybe you can explain what you mean?

what on earth does any of this have to do with the subject at hand?

 

[Humanistheart]

No one can prove or disprove God.

If you do not believe in God, you will not seek for him or find him. If you are obsessed with God you will see him behind evey bush, and behind every earthquake or other natural event (thanks Pat!).

If you accept the possibility of God, you can see both sides of the arguement.

If you quietly believe in God, you may begin to live your life in accordance to what you believe to be his will... living a life of intelligent and loving service to mankind.

Al

APW, I already disproved the existance of the christian god, so to which god are you refering?

 

[Autodidact]

[QUOTEi guess your saying that i could see god if id only look? so you must think that people who dont believe in god havent looked? ]

Sometimes God finds you when you quit looking. He is not seen or found through the mind but only in faith. The carnal mind is an enemy to God.You see the world through the carnal mind and then you make your fears and faith line up with what you see.When you walk by faith you are not moved by the storms of life around you but our able to stay focused and keep clarity of mind and observe all opportunities even in the middle of chaos.More importantly you also discover who God ..Notice how the thoughts changed for the deer as it went from feeling safe to fear.Its opportunities changed from enjoying the goodness of the land to having to run. A person of faith enjoys the goodness of the land even in the middle of trials and tribulations.[/quote]

Do you have an argument or are you just going to blather and preach?

 

[Humanistheart]

what on earth does any of this have to do with the subject at hand?

The last few pages didn't seem to have anything to do with the OP. I'm trying to bring it back to it, but so far no luck. I answered the op, disproved god, yet people continue to argue about 'awarness' and other irrelevant what not.

 

[APW]

I disagree that you disproved him. You merely disproved the immature and confused concepts of God held by some of your fellows.

 

[challupa]

Will to power is to God what E=mc2 is to physics.

I don't understand what you mean by "Will to Power". You mentioned this before, but I have not heard of it before.

 

[Humanistheart]

I disagree that you disproved him. You merely disproved the immature and confused concepts of God held by some of your fellows.

I disproved the christian god trinity, which is the bases for the christian god concept. Of course if there are christian groups that don't think jesus is the christ you'd be right. Are there?

 

[APW]

How says that the Christians have a clear understanding of God or of Jesus (besides the Christians)?

Christianity is more of a religion about Jesus... it contains very little of his actual teachings. And you did not disprove the trinity concept, not even close.

That Jesus did not fulfill the misguided hopes of the Jewish people of his day and age means nothing. They, the product of thousands of years of a progressive religious evolution towards the belief of a physical kingdom of heaven, were unable to comprehend his message. Likewise did the Christians become confused with the idea of the kingdom as being a physical reality, and this error has persisted ever since.

You have proved nothing.

 

[Skeptisch]

How can one prove a negative? How can one prove what does not exist?
If however you want to prove a positive, something that exists, you should be able to do that quite easily.

Or maybe you no longer play with ignorance, you just represent it?