A health care bill with a public option passed the house 220-215 Saturday evening. Michelle Bachmann flipped out. Is this the end of the Republic as we know it? Or has some good been done here?
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Health Care Bill Passes House 220-215
- Thread starter Sunstone
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methylatedghosts
Can't brain. Has dumb.
From what I can gather, it's to allow everyone to be able to afford health insurance?
Then that can't be anything but good
I'm absolutely appalled at some of the comments at the bottom of the page though - those people should be ashamed of themselves.
Then that can't be anything but good
I'm absolutely appalled at some of the comments at the bottom of the page though - those people should be ashamed of themselves.
Smoke
Done here.
I had the same thought. A country where so many people are stupid and hysterical has some very serious problems.
You picked out my favorite, by the way:
methylatedghosts
Can't brain. Has dumb.
well hopefully by that stage, people will have gotten used to the idea
Vile Atheist
Loud and Obnoxious
Doubt it. The right wing in your country is pretty set on taking it down. I don't think people will get used to it until they actually start benefitting from it.
Troublemane
Well-Known Member
With the unemployment figures continuing to rise, ...oh yeah, the most positive news lately is that people aren;t losing their jobs as fast as they were 2 months ago, but thats just because there arent as many jobs left to lose and still run things without closing shop,....we hit the american businesses and taxpayers with this, another trillion dollars. After bailing out wall street, we are now bailing out the insurance industry, who is...the same people we just bailed out. AIG etc. the insurance guys.
My question is....as we already bailed out the banks (who are the insurance companies), due to their incompetance at running scams that work, dont we really own the insurance companies already? Why are we now planning to fund a public option to subsidize privately owned insurance companies?
Notice its a "public option" to subsidize families to be able to afford health insurance, it isnt government-run health insurance, and its not a totally new health care system in the USA. What it is, is another way for the insurance giants to rob from the american people.:yes:
My question is....as we already bailed out the banks (who are the insurance companies), due to their incompetance at running scams that work, dont we really own the insurance companies already? Why are we now planning to fund a public option to subsidize privately owned insurance companies?
Notice its a "public option" to subsidize families to be able to afford health insurance, it isnt government-run health insurance, and its not a totally new health care system in the USA. What it is, is another way for the insurance giants to rob from the american people.:yes:
Perhaps I will get a contract for building another prison to house all the folks who don't cough up their health insurance money to the government.
.lava
Veteran Member
YmirGF
Bodhisattva in Recovery
Many opponents to the bill are running around with their "hair on fire" over this. It's sort of like the "chicken little" syndrome. For many this is a sign that the whole shooting match is going to unravel.what makes you say that? hopefully answer of this question would end my confusion
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.lava
Veteran Member
i am sorry but i do not get that. what's chicken little sendrom? i guess i need simple English for this
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YmirGF
Bodhisattva in Recovery
Hmmmm. How to put it.
OK, the left wing people and middle of the road people have passed this new bill. For the most part, the right wing people have gone insane and are predicting that this is the beginning of the end of America as we know it.
"Hair on fire" is a colloquial expression in English that describes a person who has taken leave of their senses and is often being too emotional to be logical
"Chicken little" is a character, a small young chicken, who ran around screaming, "the sky is falling; the sky is falling". The sky never did fall, but more importantly CANNOT FALL and so we have the resulting "chicken little syndrome". In effect it refers to people who issue dire warnings that do not come to pass...
hmmm.... no, I won't go there. Hehehe.
.lava
Veteran Member
oh OK. thank you for explaining
but i still do not understand why right wing people consider this as a sign of end of republic. what's the relation between health insurance and republic?.
T-Dawg
Self-appointed Lunatic
oh OK. thank you for explaining
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They believe that the healthcare bill will give the government total control over the healthcare industry (about 1/6 of the remaining industry), and that that is communism and will somehow result in the death of the private sector. Or more likely, they don't actually believe it, they just want everyone else to believe it so their "republican" (fascist) regime will continue to hold power.
Daemon Sophic
Avatar in flux
The number of fanatical/hysterical neocons in the comments section makes me wonder.....Sunstone, do you find "thehill.com" to be a good news site in general? Usually idiots like that tend to conglomerate at right-wing biased news sites....? so they don't realize what a minority of the population they are?
Actually, that is part of the beauty. The one's paying the main portion of this 800+ billion bill are the uber-rich CEOs, etc.... with a lesser portion paid by the "rich" going all the way down to upper level doctors, lawyers, etc... who are earning >$250,000 per year. So once again, >95% of citizens won't see a penny of increase in taxes. Also, many will be relieved of paying for health care and/or will actually have care for the first time.
If you're going with voodoo trickle-down Reaganomics, saying things like "By taking money from the CEOs you are forcing them to cut jobs. Etc...etc..." then
I really don't have the time to explain the math.
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Quite the opposite. The public option (single payer) will finally provide competition for the insurance megacorps. And, since it is the federal government, this competitor can actually lay down some features that a small start-up insurance company (as if) could not try. Features that the megacorps will have to adopt in order to stay competitive.
Like....oh I don't know....stop dropping people when they get sick? Stop the MASSIVE inefficiency of siphoning off customer funds to pay ludicrous CEO salaries, and perks, and off-the wall dividends to the board members, etc...etc... What we are planning, is to make these (effective) monopolies to actually start WORKING for their money. Or get the hell out of Dodge. :yes:
The family subsidies idea was what McCain was bringing to the election cycle. "$2,500 in government subsidies for each citizen, so that they can go out and pay for whatever private insurance company that they choose."
That method WOULD in fact have just given government funds, via the customers, straight to the megacorps.
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Daemon Sophic
Avatar in flux
Four I think (2013 start date).
I don't get this. Why not start the week the bill is made into law? As others have pointed out, people (i.e. the foolish ones) will only find out how good for them, and good for our nation this is after they have experienced it for a few months/years.
Worse yet. If some idiot comes into presidency who's agin' it
, then we might have a repeat of 1980. FYI - Carter wanted us completely independent from foreign oil, and instigated tons of ideas and regulations in order to improve wind/hydro/solar/nuclear energy, nudged along fuel efficiency, electric car development, etc..... , BUT Reagan nixed it all within weeks of coming into office. :thud:
T-Dawg
Self-appointed Lunatic
Four I think (2013 start date).
I don't get this. Why not start the week the bill is made into law? As others have pointed out, people (i.e. the foolish ones) will only find out how good for them, and good for our nation this is after they have experienced it for a few months/years.
Worse yet. If some idiot comes into presidency who's agin' it
FYI - Carter wanted us completely independent from foreign oil, and instigated tons of ideas and regulations in order to improve wind/hydro/solar/nuclear energy, nudged along fuel efficiency, electric car development, etc..... , BUT Reagan nixed it all within weeks of coming into office. :thud:
Ah, another good reason to hate Reagan.
In all seriousness, I think that that might have been their goal... they had to make it apply later (and not now) in an attempt to get republican support, didn't they?
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Vile Atheist
Loud and Obnoxious
oh OK. thank you for explaining
In America, it's easy to buy out politicians and that's what lobbies frequently do. They are groups who want to protect their special interests by controlling the policy-makers with money.
The health insurance lobby starts buying out (mostly) Republican politicians and right-wing TV and radio personalities and they spread the health insurance industry's message to the common people under the guise that health care reform will destroy freedom and will be a bad thing for them. The people eat it up. They often play on racist attitudes to increase animosity towards Obama.
The right wing - at least the ones who have a head on their shoulders - don't actually think it is the end of the republic. They are being paid by health insurance lobbyists to keep private health insurance in the US because if they don't, they will lose a LOT of money from taking advantage of the American people. They just spread the message that it is the end of the republic so the guillible people can eat it up.
Not one of them thinks: "Hey, Canada and most of Europe have this so-called 'Socialized Medicine' and they actually like having it! In fact, in terms of health figures, these countries are out-doing the US (life expectancy, etc.) Maybe this is a good thing after all." It's unfortunate.