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Should Marijuana Be Legal

shortfade2

Active Member
It doesnt really matter whether or not its illegal. its so easy to use it. Kindof like how Nicotine/tobacco is illegal for minors, but we all can use it so easily. Honestly! baseball games...kids chew all the time.
Kids smoke. Kids smoke weed. Its too easy to get it, so it doesnt really matter.
 

Jeremy Mason

Well-Known Member
In those cases, you're usually talking about knockoffs and counterfeit merchandise, which is an entirely different subject. Also, I suspect that if you combined the income derived from these various underground enterprises, they would not add up to a fraction of the illegal drug trade.

I agree.

http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/1675918-post33.html

EDIT: Plus, In response to Kai's concern of the illegal trafficking of cigarettes and such, i guess I have never seen it except for some guy trying to sell speakers out of van one time.
 
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kai

ragamuffin
I agree.

http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/1675918-post33.html

EDIT: Plus, In response to Kai's concern of the illegal trafficking of cigarettes and such, i guess I have never seen it except for some guy trying to sell speakers out of van one time.

I don't have a concern Jeremy i am just pointing out that the ability to obtain legal goods doesnt alter peoples inclination to get a Bargain "off the back of a lorry" or "under the counter".

From the posts on this thread i think its something that seems to be in the UK and not the US. its actually very widespread here due to the high taxation of cigarettes etc.
 

Bismillah

Submit
Bargain "off the back of a lorry" or "under the counter".
Meh, I think people would stick with FDA approved Marijuana. Shady dealers may have traces of other chemicals that can lead to serious injury. Currently most people only buy Marijuana from trusted dealers.
 

Poisonshady313

Well-Known Member
rather that it mostly being used for recreational rather than medicinal purposes is one additional factor (besides it being somewhat dangerous and possibly addictive) against its legalization.

That makes no sense.

Unless you believe that cigarettes and alcohol should be made illegal.

Or at least that they should not have been legalized. (I guess that only applies to alcohol, 'cause I can't think of a time when tobacco was ever outlawed.)

I'm just trying to keep you consistent.
 

kai

ragamuffin
Meh, I think people would stick with FDA approved Marijuana. Shady dealers may have traces of other chemicals that can lead to serious injury. Currently most people only buy Marijuana from trusted dealers.

"trusted dealers" ? so you think they leave their "trusted dealer" for a government one even if its more expensive. ( of course i have no idea how much it would be in the US, but here they would tax the arse out of it)
 

Bismillah

Submit
"trusted dealers" ? so you think they leave their "trusted dealer" for a government one even if its more expensive. ( of course i have no idea how much it would be in the US, but here they would tax the arse out of it)
"Trusted Dealer" is a term I use in lieu of "friends", but now it just sounds damn silly. Though I don't think the majority of kids who smoke now would continue to buy it from their friends. Most likely because it would be more convenient to purchase it from a legal source and the fact that taxes wouldn't account for a huge prince increase. A couple grams of weed is around 30 dollars. If the tax is even 10% of that, then it is only 3 dollars extra. Not that big of a deal I think to continue to buy illegally to save those three dollars.
 

Zephyr

Moved on
"Trusted Dealer" is a term I use in lieu of "friends", but now it just sounds damn silly. Though I don't think the majority of kids who smoke now would continue to buy it from their friends. Most likely because it would be more convenient to purchase it from a legal source and the fact that taxes wouldn't account for a huge prince increase. A couple grams of weed is around 30 dollars. If the tax is even 10% of that, then it is only 3 dollars extra. Not that big of a deal I think to continue to buy illegally to save those three dollars.
That's not even getting into the enormous price drop you'd see with legalization.
 

kai

ragamuffin
That's not even getting into the enormous price drop you'd see with legalization.

WoW your country must be very different than mine, first off how is it gonna be cheaper ? is the government going to grow it, process it , package it ,and retail it , all the while paying decent wages to the workers , add a profit margin and tax, and its still make it cheaper? do you have anything else as an example ?
 

kai

ragamuffin
"Trusted Dealer" is a term I use in lieu of "friends", but now it just sounds damn silly. Though I don't think the majority of kids who smoke now would continue to buy it from their friends. Most likely because it would be more convenient to purchase it from a legal source and the fact that taxes wouldn't account for a huge prince increase. A couple grams of weed is around 30 dollars. If the tax is even 10% of that, then it is only 3 dollars extra. Not that big of a deal I think to continue to buy illegally to save those three dollars.

dont forget most people that smoke cannabis dont care if its legal or not, so its a free market to them Quality and price , same as everything else.
 

Zephyr

Moved on
WoW your country must be very different than mine, first off how is it gonna be cheaper ? is the government going to grow it, process it , package it ,and retail it , all the while paying decent wages to the workers , add a profit margin and tax, and its still make it cheaper? do you have anything else as an example ?

The price is EXTREMELY inflated right now due to the illegality. Because it's illegal, dealers can get away with selling it at $200+ an ounce. After all, who's going to undercut them? With legalization will come open competition and larger grow-ops, reducing prices even after taxes. Look at it this way: Cannabis is far easier to grow and cure than tobacco is and is currently untaxed thanks to the illegality. Despite this, one of these two plants will cost you at least $200 or more for an ounce while the other can be bought for less than a tenth of that.
 

MSizer

MSizer
I used to work with a guy who had been a prison guard from Singapore earlier in life. He said that in singapore it is illegal not because they necessarily think pot itself is bad per se, but that their studies had indicated that certain people tend to have addictive tendancies, and in those cases often keep trying to go another step to satisfy their desires. So, on the grounds that pot is a first step toward much more dangerous drugs for SOME people, they choose to keep it illegal. I can see the argument for that, but at the same time, I think alcohol must be similar then.
 

linwood

Well-Known Member
I used to work with a guy who had been a prison guard from Singapore earlier in life. He said that in singapore it is illegal not because they necessarily think pot itself is bad per se, but that their studies had indicated that certain people tend to have addictive tendancies, and in those cases often keep trying to go another step to satisfy their desires. So, on the grounds that pot is a first step toward much more dangerous drugs for SOME people, they choose to keep it illegal. I can see the argument for that, but at the same time, I think alcohol must be similar then.

Actually, with that argument coffee is a far more nefarious "gateway" drug than pot.
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
Yes, it should be. It has never killed anyone from an overdose, does not have any physically addictive qualities, and has pages worth of medicinal and commercial purposes.
Alas though, until recently I was under the impression that with this being the 21st century and all that we have moved past the "Refer Madness" propaganda of weed. But unfortunately, there are those who still believe weed is addictive, induces severe psychosis, and other things that real drugs, such as coke or meth or do. Now, while it may be true that more and more people are entering into rehab for weed, it must also be stated (which is conveniently not) that alot of people will voluntarily enter rehab for a reduced sentence. Even though this rehab can be something like AA or NA (of which marijuana is neither.)
For medical reasons, prescription drugs may have a better effect, but not one drug will do nearly as much as marijuana can. It also cost much less (unless you are buying very potent weed.) Also, it has many benefits that prescription or OTC drugs do not give. For one, pot induces the munchies. This can be used to treat anarexecs, and eating gives strength back to chemo patients. Marijuana also increases the effectivness of morphine, which means doctors could give smaller doses while the patient is recieving the maximum effect. People with Tourettes syndrome can also benefit from pot smoking, as it relieves muscle ticks.
And pot is NOT a gateway drug. It all comes down to personal choice. Some people are speed freaks, some pot heads, some meth heads, and some just drink. I've tried some other drugs, didn't like the effects, and don't use them anymore. It's as easy as that. And since nothing else is even similiar to pot, it's very difficult for it to be a gateway drug. Especially since a very large number of pot heads just smoke pot. It would be more fair to say that cough syrup is a gateway drug into psychodelic drugs, or ephedrine is a gateway drug into speeds. Both are legal, and have illegal drugs with similiar effects.

 

Zephyr

Moved on
I used to work with a guy who had been a prison guard from Singapore earlier in life. He said that in singapore it is illegal not because they necessarily think pot itself is bad per se, but that their studies had indicated that certain people tend to have addictive tendancies, and in those cases often keep trying to go another step to satisfy their desires. So, on the grounds that pot is a first step toward much more dangerous drugs for SOME people, they choose to keep it illegal. I can see the argument for that, but at the same time, I think alcohol must be similar then.

Funny story, one of my good buddies actually went from heroin to cannabis. He used to just drink.
 

Humanistheart

Well-Known Member
WoW your country must be very different than mine, first off how is it gonna be cheaper ? is the government going to grow it, process it , package it ,and retail it , all the while paying decent wages to the workers , add a profit margin and tax, and its still make it cheaper? do you have anything else as an example ?

To illistraight, look into the hisotry of legal cocaine. The most common user for some time was housewives, who picked it up locally, at a far cheaper rate and a much higher quality than can be baught on the street today.

I've yet to read one decent reason for cannabis not to be legal.
 

Humanistheart

Well-Known Member
My argument is that legalizing marijuana doesnt matter. People can still do it just as easily anyways.

So it makes no difference to you one way or the other. Why bother posting an opinion on it at all? And I soppose the billions our nation spends during this economic crises to stop something you don't even care about means nothing to you. Or the vast number of people taking up prison space and tax payer dollars in our inhuman prison system doesn't bother you either.
 
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