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Can all religions settle their diffrences?

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Riverwolf said:
It is human nature to desire some sort of conflict. After all, our recreations all feature conflict of some sort, whether in stories, sports, or games.

Even if we stop killing each other over God-concepts (or lack thereof), we'll start killing each other over something else. It's just who we are. In my opinion, we need to come to grips with THAT before we can have "peace."
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Well your last line is a contradiction I think to the rest of your post.
Some of our games are violent and that's maybe a way some people get rid or their aggression. But most of us don't want to war with our neighbour except in the usual arguing sense.
Wars were fought in the past which were nothing to do with religion I know, but that was in the days of empire and expantion. That doesn't really hold for today. Why aren't I fighting, or my neighbours, or my town. We are living together in harmony. It happens everywhere. Wars are limited to certain areas and conflicts. These can be resolved but only after some major changes. Maybe even a completely new world order.
I believe a 'one' world is drastic but a possibility. Anyway that's getting a bit ahead of things. But I don't see how getting to grips with being natural born killers will result in peace?
 
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Riverwolf said:
If you live where I live, you'd see that Muslims, for the most part, get along just fine with everybody else. (Muslim women are easy to pick out because of the head-scarf.)

Most of the hate is solely on the political level.
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That's good to hear. See it not only can be done it is done. I believe the majority of people know it's wrong to kill and want no part of it. I believe most people will live side by side in relative peace. Like you say, it's the politics that's involved. But maybe it's the people who should be deciding what's to be done and not the string pullers?
 
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balloonbasket said:
Well your last line is a contradiction I think to the rest of your post.
Some of our games are violent and that's maybe a way some people get rid or their aggression. But most of us don't want to war with our neighbour except in the usual arguing sense.
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I said "conflict." Conflict doesn't mean violence. I also wasn't limiting "games" to video games. (And yes; violent games like Doom are ways that I come to grips with my own killer instinct.)

Are you entertained by movies or novels or plays?

Wars were fought in the past which were nothing to do with religion I know, but that was in the days of empire and expantion. That doesn't really hold for today. Why aren't I fighting, or my neighbours, or my town. We are living together in harmony. It happens everywhere. Wars are limited to certain areas and conflicts. These can be resolved but only after some major changes. Maybe even a completely new world order.
I believe a 'one' world is drastic but a possibility. Anyway that's getting a bit ahead of things. But I don't see how getting to grips with being natural born killers will result in peace?
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I put "peace" in quotations for a reason.
 
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Harmonious said:
Not at all. Many Muslims and Christians of my acquaintance are REALLY good people.

A church? No. A Mosque? Been there, and done that.

There is nothing in a mosque which offends my religious sensibilities. I've prayed in Ma'arat Hamachpela, in Chevron. We drew a partition down the middle, and the men prayed on one side, and the women prayed on the other.

The crosses and statuary, and other religious artwork in many churches DO, so I would never enter them.

But that doesn't mean that I can't be friends with any number of people.
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Now if you believed the press you'd think Jews, Muslims and christians hated each other. So basically what you are saying it that a normal congregation of Jews are no diffrent from a normal congregation of chistians. Because I know ordinary christians would have no issues with Jews. I think the press is whipping up some bad feelings towards muslims.
By the way I live in Britain and this is the current state of things here.
The place you mentioned, Ma'arat, in Chevron, where is this?
So would a muslim be ok to enter a synagog the way you would a mosque. Would they have the same reluctance to enter a church?
 
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TheKnight said:
Well, when I was a Christian and our church would have meetings regarding how we could improve our community, there would be Orthodox Jews and Imams there. This may be because our church doesn't have any religious symbols inside the sanctuary and therefore it's not all that bad for an Orthodox Jew to go into our church...In fact, there is only one religious symbol anywhere in our church and it's a cross that is on the top of the sign in front of the church (which isn't even attached to the church)...

I would imagine, simply from experience, that it happens all the time that Jews, Muslims, and Christians can come together to have discussions.
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Then what the hell's the problem? See, I knew it couldn't be the people at fault. Just didn't make sense that people are the ones behind all this fighting.
So it goes to prove they can get along and in some cases do.
So why isn't this done more as a kinda protest against the fighting?
 
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balloonbasket said:
Then what the hell's the problem? See, I knew it couldn't be the people at fault. Just didn't make sense that people are the ones behind all this fighting.
So it goes to prove they can get along and in some cases do.
So why isn't this done more as a kinda protest against the fighting?
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Because, the fighting is for other reasons that aren't religious. Jews fight Arabs because Arabs kill Jewish people. Arabs fight Jews because Arabs believe they are defending their land.

It has little to do with religion, but with actions.

Also, who is to say that the 3 religions do not come together to speak against the violence? My understanding is that they do. The fact that the media doesn't offer as much time to those who speak peace as opposed to those who speak violence doesn't mean that there aren't those who speak for peace.
 
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Riverwolf said:
I said "conflict." Conflict doesn't mean violence. I also wasn't limiting "games" to video games. (And yes; violent games like Doom are ways that I come to grips with my own killer instinct.)

Are you entertained by movies or novels or plays?

I put "peace" in quotations for a reason.
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Ok, sorry if I picked you up wrong.
 
HipHopAvenger

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balloonbasket said:
I can't really accept your first paragraph. I think the spiritual diffrences are due entirely to location. An Israeli Jew if born in Iraq would no doubt be muslim and the other way around.
I don't believe some great Devil is behind the current situation in the middle east. (Although I think you said you don't either?) Unless you mean politics?
I mean the 'i want to kill people in the name of Allah' kind of fanaticism that we are experiencing at the moment. The terrorist attacks, or threats of. (That's not to put all the blame on muslims of course, the christians did go on their crusades, but im being more current.) Yes, i'm talking about wars in the name of the 'holy' truth, as you put it. Of which I confess I have little understanding.

Now why do you say 'there is no way to stop it?'. Share your view on that.
You have a good day too.
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Those differencies are due to people among we live rather than location. When you are born you are just a child, you are not from the clear water-the Muslim child or Jew child.
And I answered generally why I do not think that religions could cooperate. And you have a right not to agree with me.;)
This short paragraph about Devil was just an idea. Nothing serious.
I think that fanaticism is not product of being push down the way that when they will kill someone in the name of Holy Truth, they will be honoured by Allah for the protection of their beliefs and the only right truth.
Wars are terrible. But I do not see a way to avoid them. When they are, so it is propably a part of our life in a universe and it has some purpose.
I think that there will be always a purpose to fight over something. Food, medicine, weapons, countryside, power, etc.
And religion is just put in the ring when there is nothing another.
 
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