Christian Pilgrim
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I have. I bring up this subject, because this is the contemporary issue of our day in the United States.
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Same Sex Marriage
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I have. I bring up this subject, because this is the contemporary issue of our day in the United States.
You know, I completely missed the "gays and lesbians" bit in that post.
I guess there are different interpretations of this, because our marriage got approved by the Archbishop personally. I guess they were satisfied that my wife wasn't going to be "unequally yoked".
Heh... I wasn't raised in any religion at all, my parents never drank, and my Mom's idea of "gambling" was buying a single lottery ticket once a week. All the whiskey drinking and most of the gambling is on my wife's side of the family, who are mostly devout Christians.
AFAIK, no chicken fight afficionados in my family or my wife's.
CarlinKnew
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So you've already asked why secular heterosexuals would want to marry. Why do you assume there should be a different answer from homosexuals?
Christian Pilgrim
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I think you make a good point. As a Christian, I think I am leaning that same sex marriages should be law throughout the country, but I'm not completely sure. I think the answer for a Christain gay or lesbian couple, the answer is not as clear. For the Christian couple, they would have to determine if same sex marriage is allowed or approved by their Christian God according to Scripture... at least IMO. A basic rule for Christians is that what is not done in faith is sin.
CarlinKnew
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Of course it's not approved by Christianity; homosexuality itself is a sin.
Off topic: As a devout worshipper of Thor, I find your avatar/title highly offensive. If anti-Thor avatars/titles are permitted then so should be anti-Christian avatars/titles.
sandandfoam
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Christian Pilgrim
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You know, I completely missed the "gays and lesbians" bit in that post.
I guess there are different interpretations of this, because our marriage got approved by the Archbishop personally. I guess they were satisfied that my wife wasn't going to be "unequally yoked".
Heh... I wasn't raised in any religion at all, my parents never drank, and my Mom's idea of "gambling" was buying a single lottery ticket once a week. All the whiskey drinking and most of the gambling is on my wife's side of the family, who are mostly devout Christians.
AFAIK, no chicken fight afficionados in my family or my wife's.
LOL!!! Well. you must of convinced the Archbishop that you were a Christian, or maybe a Catholic Christian. When I was single 22 years ago, most of the attractive girls were secular. I didn't grow up Christian, so I had many secular girlfriends. Christian morality was the biggest obstacle for me to convert to Christianity as a single person. Actually, Saint Augustine had a similar testimony in regards to women and conversion. It was very difficult to find a very attractive Christian girl to marry, but the Lord was very good to me.
Christian Pilgrim
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I know that homosexual sex outside of marriage is a sin. Hetrosexual sex outside of marriage is sin too. I'm not sure if homosexual sex within marriage is sin. I will remove my avatar because I did not mean to offend you.
Nope. I was completely honest and open with my wife's parish priest, telling him that I wasn't a Christian and was unbaptized. The unbaptized part is why I needed approval from the Archbishop.
Autodidact
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Hi Christian, I like that you're asking a reasonable question and will try to answer it.
I am a lesbian and an atheist and former Jew, so the whole Christian aspect has never had any relevance in my life.
Do you want to know whether I think the state should permit it, or whether it's something I myself want to do?
I am a lesbian and an atheist and former Jew, so the whole Christian aspect has never had any relevance in my life.
Do you want to know whether I think the state should permit it, or whether it's something I myself want to do?
Christian Pilgrim
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LOL... you went to the liberal branch of the Catholic Church... right?
Christian Pilgrim
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I really want to hear all views and experiences. As you know, I believe that the Bible is the Word of God. I believe the church has sinned in the past for abusing the scriptures to justify ungodly evil acts, oppression... breaking the general biblical principle of the golden rule. American slavery is just one example of many. It's a tough one... discerning same sex marriages. I have lots of issues with the Moral Majority and Fundamentalism flavor of Christianity based on all of Scripture. I think much hostility over Christianity is the result of sinful views of the church on certain issues. That one thread about homosexuals got me really angry. Any kind of KKK christianity should not refect true Christianity.
This is KKK Christianity from the Devil: http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/religious-debates/79995-god-rejects-homosexuals-fact.html
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That's your third "LOL". Should I be glad that my marriage is a source of amusement for you?
And no, it wasn't the "liberal" branch of the Catholic Church, it was the regular one. They're affiliated with the Vatican and everything.
Christian Pilgrim
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That's your third "LOL". Should I be glad that my marriage is a source of amusement for you?
And no, it wasn't the "liberal" branch of the Catholic Church, it was the regular one. They're affiliated with the Vatican and everything.
It is Catholic Doctrine to marry within Christendom. And yes, not being a Christian is no joke. I do apologize for my "LOL". Within Roman Catholicism, it is even questionable to marry a Protestant. If you weren't baptized, I have no idea how you were allowed to marry your Christian wife. My advice to you as a friend is to believe in the Lord Jesus Christ and go get baptized at your wife's church! Sorry for the offense.
Apparently, that's not true as a blanket statement. My wife's parish priest, the Archbishop of Toronto and whatever committee of clergy came up with the approved procedures for unbaptized people to get married in the Church apparently disagree with you. I think the preference is that Catholics marry other Catholics, but there are mechanisms for Catholics to marry non-Christians and non-Catholic Christians.
Thanks.
There are more hoops to jump through, but it's not impossible.
These days, my impression is that if a baptized non-Catholic Christian wants to marry a Catholic, the only extra thing that happens is that the priest who would perform the wedding interviews the couple and satisfies himself that it's a good idea.
In my case, along with that interview, my wife's priest submitted a petition to the Archbishop on our behalf asking for a dispensation to allow us to marry in the Church.
The Catholic Encyclopedia talks a bit about the different distinctions (though with rather... um... slanted language): CATHOLIC ENCYCLOPEDIA: Mixed Marriage
Just remember that their term "heretic" means "non-Catholic Christian", "infidel" means "non-Christian" and "schismatic" means "Orthodox Christian".
Yeah... considering that I no longer feel it's appropriate to even kneel in my wife's church any more, I don't think I'll be doing that any time soon... though this is all rather off-topic.
Christian Pilgrim
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Thanks for the information. I am not a Roman Catholic Christian, and I know the Catholic Church tends to change with the times on these difficult issues. If Scripture becomes final authority, God commands Christians to marry only Christians, but Protestants break this command all the time. I know many men make half-hearted professions of faith to marry a Christian women. Men get dragged to church all the time because of their Christian wives. I'm glad to see that you are attending church. Heck, I think you know that I'm a Calvinist, so if you are meant to believe in the Lord Jesus Christ, this is how God designed it to be. If you are an Elect of God, you will come to a saving knowledge of the Lord Jesus Christ. Why do you think you married a Christian women, by fate and chance? The answer could be much bigger than you think.
Trey of Diamonds
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Christian Pilgrim, what do you think of non-Christian marriages? Are they real marriages or something else? Is a married Hindu couple different somehow to a married Catholic couple?
I think everyone should have the right to marry whom ever they want. And no one else should have a say in who they can't marry. I don't care what your religious belief is, thats why we have laws protecting religious freedom or lack there of. Not to mention, marriage has constantly evolved over the centuries, so, this whole idea of protecting traditional marriage is absurd.
eugenius
The Truth Lies Within
All these beliefs mean less than nothing to non-religious people, remember that. Wasn't divorce a sin as well? How man American's do you figured have had sex before marriage (heterosexual) and later became married. Why don't Christians protest against these people as well? Everybody is a sinner at some point. According to the bible, I would say 99% of the population is going to hell.
Christian Pilgrim
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Good question. I think marriage is a godly union and institution designed by the One True God. Therefore, whatever God joins together let no man separate, regardless of what someone believes or does not believe. I did not get married in the church, even though my wife and I are Christians. The secular husband and Hindu husband are commanded to love their wives as Christ loved the church, even though they might not understand this as a Christian can understand it. So, marriage is a blessing from the Lord for Christians and non-Christians alike.