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Why Some Christians Become Militant Atheists
- Thread starter CarlinKnew
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HoldemDB9
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Since when did he say that physics could explain God? Oh that's right, he didn't. He posted the link so that you could learn about "time in physics", since you obviously know nothing about the nature of time, just like you don't understand 5th grade math. Read the next two sentences carefully and slowly...
You said that 1000 years seemed like one day to God. This is saying that God is not outside of time.
Then you said that God is outside of time.
Therefore, like CarlinKnew said, you are making contradictory, illogical statements and I have just proved it. But of course, I am just "choosing to see it that way" aren't I?
Good call to end the conversation. Facts mean absolutely nothing to Enoch07, he will say that you are just "choosing to see them as facts". And if you prove him wrong, he will most likely just add you to your ignore list, so that he does not have to look stupid any more.
Psalm 90: 4 For a thousand years in your sight are like a day that has just gone by, or like a watch in the night.
I think taking this verse in context and considering that it can be an example helps here. The keywords here are, "are like" which can be taken to articulate an example. I believe this example is trying to articulate how minor time is to God. Also, look at the very next verse which further supports my point,
Psalm 90: 5 You sweep men away in the sleep of death; they are like the new grass of the morning-
There again we see the words "are like" being used to articulate an example. Unless someone thinks that men are literally grass.
I think taking this verse in context and considering that it can be an example helps here. The keywords here are, "are like" which can be taken to articulate an example. I believe this example is trying to articulate how minor time is to God. Also, look at the very next verse which further supports my point,
Psalm 90: 5 You sweep men away in the sleep of death; they are like the new grass of the morning-
There again we see the words "are like" being used to articulate an example. Unless someone thinks that men are literally grass.
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Smoke
Done here.
If God created time and reality, it seems reasonable to think that they already conform to his will, and would require no bending to do so.
Finally a non-christian that gets it. Thank you sir/mam.
Smoke
Done here.
I think you missed the implications of what I said -- namely, that your own claim that God can bend time and reality to his will is irrelevant, and that your arbitrary dismissal of reality on that ground is therefore mistaken.
HoldemDB9
Active Member
Which point? I hope its not the "point" that 1,000 years is like a day to God AND that God is outside of time, because that point is certainly not valid, as I have shown and you have ignored.
darkendless
Guardian of Asgaard
There is not one set of rules for those who believe in God, one for those who don't. If you don't want your beliefs challenged don't share them.
A main problem i have is when people claim God can do what he wants, yet defend God against criticism for allowing his subjects to suffer. Particularly the innocent. An example is why must children born with HIV suffer, they did nothing to bring it upon themselves, yet they suffer. Your God is not fair.
God did not give the child HIV. The childs parents did, because they practice a unhealthy lifestyle (sex without condoms). That childs death as a result from the disease will be held against the parents. If the child got HIV from a blood transfusion then the person who donated that tainted blood will be held accountable for their unhealthy lifestyle. What amazes me is what little responsibility people accept for their choices in life today, instead they want to shove the blame off themselves and on to God. Such cowardice proves a lack of character. If people cannot accept responsibility for their own health/well being and others health/well being then that person is worthless.
HoldemDB9
Active Member
So the child gets punished for something that was completely out of its control, for something it did not do, and this is fair?
What if the child is born disabled, which has nothing to do with the parents, who's fault is it then? Who brought that child into the world with that terrible disability?
Answer: God.
Why, god did. Because if your going to attribute all the good stuff to god, or jesus, you also need to attribute all the bad stuff as well, otherwise your giving god an unfair advantage. I'm not referring to you Holdem. Just in general.
McBell
mantra-chanting henotheistic snake handler
Deu 23:2 (KJVR)
A ******* shall not enter into the congregation of the LORD; even to his tenth generation shall he not enter into the congregation of the LORD.
As we can see, The God of the Bible has absolutely no problems punishing the children for the sins of the parents.A ******* shall not enter into the congregation of the LORD; even to his tenth generation shall he not enter into the congregation of the LORD.
Why do you think there is stuff like viruses, diseases etc? Do you realize how much sickness and death we as humans cause through pollution of our bodies and environment. We are responsible for almost all of our problems. Anyone believer or non-believer will agree. Ask any scientist. Any clergy man. You cannot deny that answer regardless of your beliefs.
I don't deny that at all. but I'm guessing, you have no problem attributing the recovery of a disease to your god.
HoldemDB9
Active Member
And your all loving, perfect, God is responsible for the rest right? Why does you all loving, perfect God allow innocent Children to die, and how is this fair?
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Well this might be a shock to you so sit down. We use science and medicine in this modern day, jic you haven't noticed, to help us heal our bodies. If I ever had a fatal disease yet somehow recovered (with or without the help of medicine), yes I would thank God. But then again I thank God every night when I go to bed just for helping me make it through the day. Do you suppose I thank science? But science is not a religion. As stated so many times over and over by many non-believers to keep religion out of school/government. So what do you want me to do?
This may come as a surprise to you so sit down, our bodies have the capability to heal ourselves. It's not a maricle, it happens every day. You should thank science, at least science is something that can be measurable. Unlike a certain someone
This may come as a surprise to you so sit down, our bodies have the capability to heal ourselves. It's not a miracle, it happens every day. You should thank science, at least science is something that can be measurable. Unlike a certain someone
That's true but who gave us our bodies?
I enjoy the benefits of science every day, but I don't worship it. If for some extremely crazy hypothetical reason it came down to a choice where I had to choose between only God and science. God wins my vote anytime. I use science for what it is. A tool. The thought of holding a wrench and praying to it just seems a little silly to me. That's true but who gave us our bodies?
Oh so everything we do after wards, god gets credit for, that is the lamest argument I've ever heard. It's so circular it's laughable. haha