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If one person can't come in, there is usually someone else who can cover him and then vice versa. All problems have solutions- if you are willing to look for them.
I would think that the teenagers would be working Saturday and Sunday (well, not Sunday at Chick-fil-A, apparently); during the week, they're in school. My impression that it's the shifts that a student can't do, e.g. weekday afternoons and (depending on the establishment's hours) the overnight shift that are hardest to staff; no matter what a person's religious obligations, there would be high-demand times when that person would be available.Yes but the question is, can a person declare that day as always his day off. If one employee says he needs Saturday off for religious reasons, is that fair to the employee who must now always work Saturdays to cover for him, meaning he never gets a Saturday/Sunday weekend. Is that fair, especially to teenagers whose social life revolve around weekends? The question is not as simple as you make it appear.
Why would it be difficult?
And I think scheduling every Saturday off for an employee is much less complex than trying to schedule an employee who is trying to making one full-time job out of two part-time jobs when he hands you his schedule from his other job for the upcoming week and says "yeah... this week, I can't come in Wednesday afternoon, Thursday morning or all day Saturday".
I wonder. I have been thinking about this one for a while now.
I used to be responsible for interviewing, and taking on certain new staff. Now I always tried to be fair, and not discriminate on any grounds.
But at my last place of work, certain people made it known that they required an extra long lunch break on a friday, and a prayer room.
Now if you were in charge of such matters for a small company, and you had 2 candidates, of equal merit, but one had these requirements, would you hire the other one?
The same can be said for a certain guy I knew who refused to work on sundays, even though the company had a 24 hour support mechanism. That persons refusal meant that the other few people involved had to do even more weekends (which nobody liked)
Would I be justified in both cases for 1. Not taking on anyone with requirements that did not suit the company, and 2. Enforcing compliance, or demoting the individual.
As it happens I never had to make this choice, but if I did, I would.
I'm saying that these sorts of scheduling problems are very common in the retail and food services business, or at least they were when I worked in both of them.All your proving is that your the type of person who would be fine with the complexities of scheduling. How does the fact that you find it easy to consider these things serve as proof that everyone will and not hire people who are easier to schedule rather than people who are more difficult? Because that's all I'm saying, are you disagreeing with me or simply saying that you personally wouldn't do so?
I'm saying that these sorts of scheduling problems are very common in the retail and food services business, or at least they were when I worked in both of them.
I don't think that incorporating an employee's religious observances into the schedule is any more onerous than incorporating an employee's schedule at school or some other job would be. In my experience, this level of accommodation is common and expected in this line of work, so it's not unreasonable to expect an employer to make reasonable accommodation for the scheduling needs of a religious employee as well.
Yes, of course.Ok, let me make this simple.
Do you think there are some managers who will hire someone who is easy to schedule over someone who is more difficult? Yes or no.
Probably a combination of both, plus short-sightedness. Happy employees are more productive employees who are less likely to leave, so a bit of head-scratching during scheduling can prevent much greater effort dealing with recruitment, training and other issues that come out of high turnover rates.If Yes, do you think this is religious discrimination or simple laziness?
Employers are not permitted to discriminate on religious ground in the UK. it is a legal requirement to accommodate them in a reasonable way.
But my point before was that if you're allowing students to take a specific day off every week for non-religious reasons, then refusing to do the same for someone for a religious one probably is religious discrimination.
Yes, of course.
However, I also think there are some managers who will cut corners on safety, but I don't think this means that an employee is unjustified in expecting a safe workplace.
Probably a combination of both, plus short-sightedness. Happy employees are more productive employees who are less likely to leave, so a bit of head-scratching during scheduling can prevent much greater effort dealing with recruitment, training and other issues that come out of high turnover rates.
And more cynically, if you're the only employer in town who will make allowances for a Muslim employee's needs, you know that it'll take a lot to make him quit.
But my point before was that if you're allowing students to take a specific day off every week for non-religious reasons, then refusing to do the same for someone for a religious one probably is religious discrimination.
First of all, I don't think your dilemna is in any way discriminatory. Religion is a choice, and if you choose a religion that has certain requirements on your time then you need to live with the consequences, one of which is that you may not be able to function properly in some businesses. Thats not the business owners fault. If say that my religion requires that I be paid a million dollars a day, it's not your responsibility to give it to me just because I applied for a job with you. It was my choice to subscribe to that religion and it's going to limit me to very few job opportunities.
That all being said... I still waffle back and forth on this, but I'm not sure that it's wrong to discriminate against religions. This could get me some hugely negative reactions, but religion in and of itself is frequently discriminatory against people who don't believe the same thing. Religious history is filled with examples of people being told to murder other people on behalf of their god. I think in general religion should be frowned upon, we should not accept it as a persons right. I think the human race has almost grown up enough that we should start ridding ourselves of such a horrible tradition. Is discrimination against a discriminatory group wrong? I tend to think no. I think the KKK should be abolished completely, I don't think they deserve respect and they should not be considered as equals in our society. and is the KKK really that different from most religions?
You do realize that freedom of religion also protects your right not to believe, don't you? You should support it out of enlightened self-interest, if nothing else.That all being said... I still waffle back and forth on this, but I'm not sure that it's wrong to discriminate against religions.
Two wrongs don't make a right. Either you believe that people should be free to believe according to the dictates of their conscience, or you don't.This could get me some hugely negative reactions, but religion in and of itself is frequently discriminatory against people who don't believe the same thing.
I think you're seeing what you want to see.I think the human race has almost grown up enough that we should start ridding ourselves of such a horrible tradition.
Respect and tolerance are two different things. The former must be earned, while the latter should be automatically extended to almost everyone.Is discrimination against a discriminatory group wrong? I tend to think no. I think the KKK should be abolished completely, I don't think they deserve respect and they should not be considered as equals in our society. and is the KKK really that different from most religions?
No, just impotent.I agree to an extent. But isn't the KKK illegal anyway?